|
|
Post by Cartertonian on Sept 15, 2023 6:37:38 GMT
Definitely a thing with some who cannot accept that we've voted to leave the EU. * Denial. * Anger. * Bargaining. * Depression. * And acceptance. Two through four are seen on here a lot and prior to 2020, denial was seen a lot too. The last is not seen on here very much at all. The only snag with your hypothesis, Vin, is that Brexit was not a death, but a divorce. Our -ex has now got the house, the car and custody of the kids, and we're sitting in a grotty bedsit, trying to convince ourselves that our life is better now!  |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 15, 2023 6:51:46 GMT
Would you rather be married to a coercive controlling abuser who had control of your wallet, or free, even if that meant a bedsit?
I'd take the bedsit.
We sold more to the EU last year than we were doing pre referendum. £223.3 billion in 2015 £340 billion in 2022. Adjusting for inflation the 2015 figure is still less than £300 billion. We are better off now we're free.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Sept 15, 2023 6:56:41 GMT
Definitely a thing with some who cannot accept that we've voted to leave the EU. * Denial. * Anger. * Bargaining. * Depression. * And acceptance. Two through four are seen on here a lot and prior to 2020, denial was seen a lot too. The last is not seen on here very much at all. The only snag with your hypothesis, Vin, is that Brexit was not a death, but a divorce. Our -ex has now got the house, the car and custody of the kids, and we're sitting in a grotty bedsit, trying to convince ourselves that our life is better now! Given how popular divorce is, I'd say that most people think it a sacrifice worth making for freedom.. |
|
|
|
Post by sheepy on Sept 15, 2023 7:06:29 GMT
Definitely a thing with some who cannot accept that we've voted to leave the EU. * Denial. * Anger. * Bargaining. * Depression. * And acceptance. Two through four are seen on here a lot and prior to 2020, denial was seen a lot too. The last is not seen on here very much at all. The only snag with your hypothesis, Vin, is that Brexit was not a death, but a divorce. Our -ex has now got the house, the car and custody of the kids, and we're sitting in a grotty bedsit, trying to convince ourselves that our life is better now! Reconciliations rarely work, as although you might find you miss certain aspects of the relationship, the under lying problems will always exist. So although the expartner may well find a way of further control eventually you realise only a clean break will win you freedom. |
|
|
|
Post by sheepy on Sept 15, 2023 7:27:03 GMT
Steve, you've made several incorrect statements, including the statement about George Osborne not being in the official remain campaign, he was, right next to David Cameron and Liz Truss. He was chief scaremonger. He warned of a profound economic shock and half a million job losses. He warned we'd all be £4k a year worse off. Refresh your memory. Meanwhile i am still looking for any benefits Brexit was supposed to bring. General wealth? Nope. Environmental improvement ? Nope. Reduce migration? Nope. Chase French fishermen out of the Channel and increase catch? Nope. Higher wages at the bottom? Only enough to cover inflation. Result...nope. Your own Horizon and Copernicus programme? Nope. Happy farmers paid EU subsidy rates? Nope. Full employment? Nope. You need about a million more. Nope. Fabulous NHS. Nope. Your economic shock is like boiling frogs. Little by little, if international investment doesnt hurry up and arrive, you wont be able to catch up. And dont bore me with last weeks or months figures. You have to look at a year's results. The children of course are the worst effected by divorce because they only see the good things, they don't realise in their sheltered or some might privileged world just how bad things become for the grown ups. |
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Sept 15, 2023 8:13:56 GMT
Do you deny the failures are true or prefer to try a poor distraction?
None of the promises made by leavers have happened and nothing the Brexit government has done has improved the country.
In fact no Brexit policy has dealt with the realities which inevitably involve the UK. If anything Brexit policies have made dealing with them more difficult.
The whole Brexit narrative was built on a shallow nationalistic view with no consideration for the global context within which any country has to exist successfully.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2023 8:17:18 GMT
I guess we shold be encouraging women in abusive relationships to stay with their violent husbands for financial perks.
|
|
|
|
Post by Steve on Sept 15, 2023 8:28:34 GMT
You do know UK law allows the government to present information don't you. You do know that was outside the regulated time? In no way does that count in the regulated spend that your side and only your side wilfully broke the rules on. You could argue that the rules were unfair and I'd argue that allowing the massive spend by the pro leave media was unfair too but your side accepted the rules knowing full well they always intended to break them to gain an advantage over remain. Gove and certain officials in the Electoral Commission should be in jail and I hope one day we will see it. |
|
|
|
Post by Steve on Sept 15, 2023 8:33:07 GMT
Would you rather be married to a coercive controlling abuser who had control of your wallet, or free, even if that meant a bedsit? I'd take the bedsit. We sold more to the EU last year than we were doing pre referendum. £223.3 billion in 2015 £340 billion in 2022. Adjusting for inflation the 2015 figure is still less than £300 billion. We are better off now we're free. And much of that is due to the post Covid rebound and yet again you haven't factored in the currency fall You say you'd rather be financially worse off outside the EU than better off inside it. Well that's a view we have to respect but not one most hold, which is why you and the rest of your very small niche had to lie to get 17 million to vote for your pyrrhic victory. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 15, 2023 8:41:09 GMT
You do know UK law allows the government to present information don't you. No matter how you try to play it, remain OUTSPENT leave. And still LOST. Get over it. The predictions of doom and gloom were false. Recession did not occur as a result of the vote. George Osborne fibbed. |
|
|
|
Post by Steve on Sept 15, 2023 8:46:45 GMT
No remain did not outspend leave. Do you really need me to show you the circulations and content of the massively pro leave media? Do you really need me to show you the spend by UKIP outside of the regulated period?
You're just lying about 2016 Vinny to salve your guilt that it's all turned out just like you were told it would. Not a disaster but a poorer choice.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2023 8:55:21 GMT
You do know UK law allows the government to present information don't you. No matter how you try to play it, remain OUTSPENT leave. And still LOST. Get over it. The predictions of doom and gloom were false. Recession did not occur as a result of the vote. George Osborne fibbed. Still, it's funny watching them argue that the people are too thick for democracy and that it should be denied to make them happy. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 15, 2023 9:18:34 GMT
It was a remain leaflet.
Taxpayers money was misspent on political bias.
It gave remain a £9 million pound advantage over leave sending those leaflets to every household on the electoral register.
What is so difficult for you to comprehend Steve?
REMAIN OUTSPENT LEAVE.
ACCEPT IT.
And stop grumbling about losing.
|
|
|
|
Post by Steve on Sept 15, 2023 10:07:37 GMT
It was a remain leaflet. Taxpayers money was misspent on political bias. It gave remain a £9 million pound advantage over leave sending those leaflets to every household on the electoral register. What is so difficult for you to comprehend Steve? REMAIN OUTSPENT LEAVE. ACCEPT IT. And stop grumbling about losing. Still in denial then. Your side cheated and now you're lying about anything you can to try and disguise that cheating. There's a common pattern here. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2023 10:14:12 GMT
It was a remain leaflet. Taxpayers money was misspent on political bias. It gave remain a £9 million pound advantage over leave sending those leaflets to every household on the electoral register. What is so difficult for you to comprehend Steve? REMAIN OUTSPENT LEAVE. ACCEPT IT. And stop grumbling about losing. Still in denial then. Your side cheated and now you're lying about anything you can to try and disguise that cheating. There's a common pattern here. Damn, it's 2023 and he's still pushing the same fake news.
|
|
