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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 19:52:59 GMT
I have an idea !
Instead of attacking Labour ( mostly with shite and nonsense ), instead why not tell us why, in your opinions, should the electorate vote in a Conservative government again.
Explain what are the benefits of the last 13 years, how has life improved, or society got better, whats the REALLY good economic news of the last 13 years, and please tell us which public services are much improved.
I will give you until Christmas ( 2023 )
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Post by Bentley on Sept 11, 2023 19:59:43 GMT
Because Labour has no substance , is a party of identity politics , because there is a very real chance that they will be worse than the Tories .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 7:46:36 GMT
Because Labour has no substance , is a party of identity politics , because there is a very real chance that they will be worse than the Tories . A lot of people are probably going to vote Labour instead of the Tories simply because they believe that it cannot be any worse than this, or that its just time to give someone else a try. To me, your argument ( here ) is rather like arguing that there is no alternative to King Herod as head of maternity services, because any alternative would PROBABLY not be as good ........ or should that be "as bad". |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 12, 2023 9:15:54 GMT
Because Labour has no substance , is a party of identity politics , because there is a very real chance that they will be worse than the Tories . simply because they believe that it cannot be any worse than this, or that its just time to give someone else a try. To me, your argument ( here ) is rather like arguing that there is no alternative to King Herod as head of maternity services, because any alternative would PROBABLY not be as good ........ or should that be "as bad". Then they haven't been paying attention if they do, let's look at the facts
Most of the Councils that have gone bust are LABOUR
ULEZ will be extended to most parts of the country if Labour get to power, so far they are keeping it within London because if they told the public (now) of their future extension plans they know it would cost them votes.
Brexit will be dead in the water under a Labour government, we'll be shackled back under the EU taking on more of their laws and rules.
If we think the illegal migrant crisis is bad now, wait till Labour get it, they will be given priority over UK citizens
That ^^ is just for starters.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 12, 2023 9:22:41 GMT
A lot of people are probably going to vote Labour instead of the Tories simply because they believe that it cannot be any worse than this, or that its just time to give someone else a try. To me, your argument ( here ) is rather like arguing that there is no alternative to King Herod as head of maternity services, because any alternative would PROBABLY not be as good ........ or should that be "as bad". Then they haven't been paying attention if they do, let's look at the facts
Most of the Councils that have gone bust are LABOUR
ULEZ will be extended to most parts of the country if Labour get to power, so far they are keeping it within London because if they told the public (now) of their future extension plans they know it would cost them votes.
Brexit will be dead in the water under a Labour government, we'll be shackled back under the EU taking on more of their laws and rules.
If we think the illegal migrant crisis is bad now, wait till Labour get it, they will be given priority over UK citizens
That ^^ is just for starters.
Labour tends to get councils in poor areas. That the government have reduced assistance is the Tories fault not Labours. Agree on ULEZ. Great news about Brexit 62% want to re-join. I can't imagine a worse illegal migrant crises than the current shitstorm. Get them processed, get them working cut the stupid hotel bills. How we stop more coming no one knows. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 12, 2023 9:25:50 GMT
In 2010 There were no NHS waiting lists of any significence Paid for on tick, short term loveliness paid for by long term debt repayments. It's like buying a Ferrari on a credit card with a full tank of fuel and going " Yesterday we had a lovely time in the Ferrari" whilst forgetting that it has to be PAID FOR. Until Labour understand this simple concept, they will continue to fail. ANY PUBLIC SPENDING MUST BE SUSTAINABLE.
Debt NEEDS TO FALL, not rise.
A Labour government who can pay down the debt, whilst still providing public services, will be one who has learned.
But until that time, I'm afraid I don't trust them any more than the Tories.
So why should I vote for a bunch of profiligate economic incompetents?
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Post by zanygame on Sept 12, 2023 9:33:05 GMT
In 2010 There were no NHS waiting lists of any significence Paid for on tick, short term loveliness paid for by long term debt repayments. It's like buying a Ferrari on a credit card with a full tank of fuel and going " Yesterday we had a lovely time in the Ferrari" whilst forgetting that it has to be PAID FOR. Until Labour understand this simple concept, they will continue to fail. ANY PUBLIC SPENDING MUST BE SUSTAINABLE.
Debt NEEDS TO FALL, not rise.
A Labour government who can pay down the debt, whilst still providing public services, will be one who has learned.
But until that time, I'm afraid I don't trust them any more than the Tories.
So why should I vote for a bunch of profiligate economic incompetents?
So are you pro more tax or do you want services cut. Please don't say cut waste, after 13 years I assume the Tories have done that? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 12, 2023 9:35:19 GMT
Then they haven't been paying attention if they do, let's look at the facts
Most of the Councils that have gone bust are LABOUR
ULEZ will be extended to most parts of the country if Labour get to power, so far they are keeping it within London because if they told the public (now) of their future extension plans they know it would cost them votes.
Brexit will be dead in the water under a Labour government, we'll be shackled back under the EU taking on more of their laws and rules.
If we think the illegal migrant crisis is bad now, wait till Labour get it, they will be given priority over UK citizens
That ^^ is just for starters.
Labour tends to get councils in poor areas. That the government have reduced assistance is the Tories fault not Labours. Agree on ULEZ.
Great news about Brexit 62% want to re-join. I can't imagine a worse illegal migrant crises than the current shitstorm. Get them processed, get them working cut the stupid hotel bills. How we stop more coming no one knows. Well it's clear you haven't been paying attention..
"The EU is running out of other people’s money"
Previous estimates suggested the single-currency bloc had narrowly avoided recession with zero growth in both quarters. The updated figures showed the wider EU swerved a recession after GDP rose by 0.1% in the first three months of the year, after a contraction of 0.2% in the final quarter of 2022.
The EU is in big financial trouble, they are struggling to keep the genie in the bottle, but the lids coming off, and the UK will breath a sigh of relief that we dodged the bullet, of course Starmer and Davey will still be kissing their arse, pair of fuckin goons as they are.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2023 9:35:53 GMT
Because Labour has no substance , is a party of identity politics , because there is a very real chance that they will be worse than the Tories . A lot of people are probably going to vote Labour instead of the Tories simply because they believe that it cannot be any worse than this, or that its just time to give someone else a try. To me, your argument ( here ) is rather like arguing that there is no alternative to King Herod as head of maternity services, because any alternative would PROBABLY not be as good ........ or should that be "as bad". Of course you can reverse my view and claim any government must be better than than the Tories and that should be the case but IMO a party fixated on identity politics and has little to offer but ‘ aren’t Tories horrid’ , a cellophane man of a leader plus a deputy leader wanting to go back to union collective bargaining is an even worse choice than a Tory government under Sunak. The last sentence doesn’t merit comment apart from pointing out that it doesn’t merit comment . |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2023 10:43:39 GMT
So are you pro more tax or do you want services cut. Please don't say cut waste, after 13 years I assume the Tories have done that? That would be a good question for the Labour Party...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 10:50:06 GMT
Yeah, but no, but yeah - Labour's second in command.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 12, 2023 15:18:59 GMT
Labour tends to get councils in poor areas. That the government have reduced assistance is the Tories fault not Labours. Agree on ULEZ.
Great news about Brexit 62% want to re-join. I can't imagine a worse illegal migrant crises than the current shitstorm. Get them processed, get them working cut the stupid hotel bills. How we stop more coming no one knows. Well it's clear you haven't been paying attention..
"The EU is running out of other people’s money"
Previous estimates suggested the single-currency bloc had narrowly avoided recession with zero growth in both quarters. The updated figures showed the wider EU swerved a recession after GDP rose by 0.1% in the first three months of the year, after a contraction of 0.2% in the final quarter of 2022.
The EU is in big financial trouble, they are struggling to keep the genie in the bottle, but the lids coming off, and the UK will breath a sigh of relief that we dodged the bullet, of course Starmer and Davey will still be kissing their arse, pair of fuckin goons as they are.
I think the EU will survive. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 12, 2023 15:22:07 GMT
So are you pro more tax or do you want services cut. Please don't say cut waste, after 13 years I assume the Tories have done that? That would be a good question for the Labour Party... Good, less fast cars and world cruises more appointments for those in pain and help for the mentally ill. Sounds good to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 15:53:30 GMT
A lot of people are probably going to vote Labour instead of the Tories simply because they believe that it cannot be any worse than this, or that its just time to give someone else a try. To me, your argument ( here ) is rather like arguing that there is no alternative to King Herod as head of maternity services, because any alternative would PROBABLY not be as good ........ or should that be "as bad". Then they haven't been paying attention if they do, let's look at the facts
Most of the Councils that have gone bust are LABOUR
ULEZ will be extended to most parts of the country if Labour get to power, so far they are keeping it within London because if they told the public (now) of their future extension plans they know it would cost them votes.
Brexit will be dead in the water under a Labour government, we'll be shackled back under the EU taking on more of their laws and rules.
If we think the illegal migrant crisis is bad now, wait till Labour get it, they will be given priority over UK citizens
That ^^ is just for starters.
But some councils who have either gone bust or are close to financial meltdown are Tory, and it is a fact that Labour areas are usually places with the most problems, inner city areas where low income and poverty tends to be worse. Of course you have some kind of evidence, or a link to back your claim that a Labour government will extend ULEZ to "most parts of the country" ? Again, not a shred of evidence that a Labour government would abandon Brexit, a statement based entirely upon assumption. But bearing in mind that Keir Starmer has repeatedly said that he will not revisit the issue, to do so if elected would be a colossal breach of trust ... it just wont happen. Again, on the migrant crisis issue, pure assumption, the government have quickly employed dozens of immigration assesors in the hope of keeping one of Sunaks pledges by the end of the year ( something he will not achieve ), Labour have for several years repeatedly called for more immigration officers to clear the backlog. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 15:56:19 GMT
In 2010 There were no NHS waiting lists of any significence Paid for on tick, short term loveliness paid for by long term debt repayments. It's like buying a Ferrari on a credit card with a full tank of fuel and going " Yesterday we had a lovely time in the Ferrari" whilst forgetting that it has to be PAID FOR. Until Labour understand this simple concept, they will continue to fail. ANY PUBLIC SPENDING MUST BE SUSTAINABLE.
Debt NEEDS TO FALL, not rise.
A Labour government who can pay down the debt, whilst still providing public services, will be one who has learned.
But until that time, I'm afraid I don't trust them any more than the Tories.
So why should I vote for a bunch of profiligate economic incompetents?
You CAN build new hospitals using PFI But you CANNOT bring waiting lists down using PFI, this can only be done by employing more doctors and nurses, which is what the last Labour government did. |
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