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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 15:21:43 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Oct 12, 2022 17:13:16 GMT
Ah, another enormous u-turn. When Nadine Dorries becomes the voice of reason, it means the end (of the world) is nigh. It's not an unreasonable idea other than it would be better if the excess profits were channeled to the consumers. I and millions of others are green energy users, yet we pay the same as all other users because production is put into one big bag and then divided to give a flat price to all users.
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Post by baff on Oct 12, 2022 19:21:05 GMT
No sympathy. Everyone has been subsidising green energy users for years.
Now they are upset that they are still having to pay for the higher costs of electricity due to a gas shortage?
They have been putting everyone else's bills up for years. Doing the exact reverse to everyone else for a decade quite without conscience.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2022 19:30:58 GMT
oh dear god help us.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 12, 2022 19:41:57 GMT
No sympathy. Everyone has been subsidising green energy users for years. Now they are upset that they are still having to pay for the higher costs of electricity due to a gas shortage? They have been putting everyone else's bills up for years. Doing the exact reverse to everyone else for a decade quite without conscience. But that isn't the basis that green energy was sold under. My bills have been going up for years but I didn't think it was the same rise as all energy. This very point was made during Truss's first PMQ and she countered by saying she would be making a statement the following day. She mad a statement but never remarked on this particular issue. My point is that the government are reaping the benefits rather than the consumer.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 12, 2022 19:43:46 GMT
Had you got your shirt on back to front when you said that?
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Post by baff on Oct 12, 2022 19:57:06 GMT
No sympathy. Everyone has been subsidising green energy users for years. Now they are upset that they are still having to pay for the higher costs of electricity due to a gas shortage? They have been putting everyone else's bills up for years. Doing the exact reverse to everyone else for a decade quite without conscience. But that isn't the basis that green energy was sold under. My bills have been going up for years but I didn't think it was the same rise as all energy. This very point was made during Truss's first PMQ and she countered by saying she would be making a statement the following day. She mad a statement but never remarked on this particular issue. My point is that the government are reaping the benefits rather than the consumer. Yes, they are going to windfall tax green energy. Green energy has always been sold under the basis of consumer subsidy by fossil fuel consumers.
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Post by vlk on Oct 15, 2022 0:11:40 GMT
The cycle is coming to an end and it's time for a change.
Just like it was in 1997 as it was in 2010.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 15, 2022 1:47:39 GMT
The cycle is coming to an end and it's time for a change. Just like it was in 1997 as it was in 2010. Possibly, but Labour are never going to win the next election, the Tories may lose it which will likely put a Labour coalition into office. Imagine that for a moment, a Labour Libdem SNP coalition. Yes, it's the stuff of nightmares but believe me it's a possibility. And if that nightmare does happen, the vast majority of people who today think this government is bad will be looking back and thinking, how could we have been so stupid.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 15, 2022 6:06:51 GMT
And unfortunately the self destructive Tory backbenchers seem intent on handing Labour power for at least two terms. I bet most wish they'd not forced Boris' hand into resignation right now had united behind him. Urgent warnings ignored and regulators asleep at the wheel: Growing fears that Gordon Brown's pensions timebomb may finally be about to explode At the last count, Universities Superannuation Scheme (USS) had £82 billion One of Gordon brown's first big changes was to axe a dividends pension perk The cost to British pension funds was around £100 billion over the decade An economist this week said it was known this would screw pension funds But they said it would take 20 years to be noticed and 'hey presto, it happened www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11317867/Growing-fears-Gordon-Browns-pensions-timebomb-finally-explode.html
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2022 7:24:34 GMT
The cycle is coming to an end and it's time for a change. Just like it was in 1997 as it was in 2010. Possibly, but Labour are never going to win the next election, the Tories may lose it which will likely put a Labour coalition into office. Imagine that for a moment, a Labour Libdem SNP coalition. Yes, it's the stuff of nightmares but believe me it's a possibility. And if that nightmare does happen, the vast majority of people who today think this government is bad will be looking back and thinking, how could we have been so stupid. That's the second time you've made that claim, but the current prediction is for Labour on 471 seats, over 100 seats more than the Tories 80 seat majority. www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 15, 2022 7:26:05 GMT
The cycle is coming to an end and it's time for a change. Just like it was in 1997 as it was in 2010. Possibly, but Labour are never going to win the next election, the Tories may lose it which will likely put a Labour coalition into office. Imagine that for a moment, a Labour Libdem SNP coalition. Yes, it's the stuff of nightmares but believe me it's a possibility. And if that nightmare does happen, the vast majority of people who today think this government is bad will be looking back and thinking, how could we have been so stupid. Before Truss I would say a Labour Coalition was the most likely possibility. Given the Polls I am more certain it will be a Labour landslide. So much so, if Truss doesn't go the possibility is actually who is going to be in opposition in two years. The Tories or the SNP.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 15, 2022 7:56:56 GMT
The cycle is coming to an end and it's time for a change. Just like it was in 1997 as it was in 2010. Possibly, but Labour are never going to win the next election, the Tories may lose it which will likely put a Labour coalition into office. Imagine that for a moment, a Labour Libdem SNP coalition. Yes, it's the stuff of nightmares but believe me it's a possibility. And if that nightmare does happen, the vast majority of people who today think this government is bad will be looking back and thinking, how could we have been so stupid. It could be argued that all governments get in by the current one losing. The opposition have very little effect on the day to day running of the country, so governments lose elections rather than winning them. But most voters want the centre ground, as soon as either side veer off the voters are left in the middle looking for an alternative.
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Post by Orac on Oct 15, 2022 9:53:58 GMT
Sure - most want the centre-ground - this is all but definitional. However, the centre-ground in the UK is far closer to the daily mail than the BBC.
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2022 10:07:06 GMT
Really? Equal numbers of people complain that the BBC is too left / too right, but I've never seen anyone (other than Hugo) complain that the Daily Mail is too left.
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