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Post by thomas on Sept 6, 2023 7:12:58 GMT
You see how far the labour party have fallen from their roots when sid the socialist is actively supporting taxing the working class till the pip squeaks in the name of the climate religion.
Keir hardie would be turning in his grave listening to the utter drivel these new labour cult members spout.
i dont think the working class give a flying fuck what 97 % of scientists allegedly think if it means them becoming poorer and hungrier due to labours climate agenda and tax and spend drooling if they take power at the next election , which im increasingly doubting.
Please, personal politically biased opinions are not good debatable points. we are all politically biased on here see 2. Its the ones implying they arent that i dont trust.
As ive said in my post above , lets wait and see what happens when reality hits the fantasies of the cult members fairytales of climate taxes meets the pockets of the downtrodden working classes already sorely pressed.
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Post by thomas on Sept 6, 2023 7:19:46 GMT
"A major new study involving scientists from 18 countries has concluded that global temperature estimates since 1850 have been heavily contaminated by the growth of urban heat where the thermometers are sited
Wasnt this the argument last year if i rememebr correct that the uk new record high temprerature in lincolnshire was contaminated , this time because the site that recorded it was near an RAF base?
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Post by Steve on Sept 6, 2023 9:32:44 GMT
"A major new study involving scientists from 18 countries has concluded that global temperature estimates since 1850 have been heavily contaminated by the growth of urban heat where the thermometers are sited
Wasnt this the argument last year if i rememebr correct that the uk new record high temprerature in lincolnshire was contaminated , this time because the site that recorded it was near an RAF base?
Nope the serious studies use satellite captured temperatures of the earth's land and sea surfaces |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 6, 2023 10:22:39 GMT
Science is apolitical.
That said politicians like lobbyists who pay them lots of money and lobbyists for certain industries couldn't give a damn about science, only their business interests and are willing to pay to get the political results they need to continue profiteering.
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Post by see2 on Sept 6, 2023 10:39:05 GMT
Please, personal politically biased opinions are not good debatable points. we are all politically biased on here see 2. Its the ones implying they arent that i dont trust.
As ive said in my post above , lets wait and see what happens when reality hits the fantasies of the cult members fairytales of climate taxes meets the pockets of the downtrodden working classes already sorely pressed.
Let me remind you, this is 'The mind zone'. There are other Zones where political bias is apparently allowed. "So it's been requested that we make the Mind Zone, a forum which is more heavily moderated and people are held to higher standards in their discussions." Pushing biased opinion, is IMO, a way of attempting to mislead and to deceive, those who support it should perhaps ask themselves why do they do it. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2023 13:50:40 GMT
"A major new study involving scientists from 18 countries has concluded that global temperature estimates since 1850 have been heavily contaminated by the growth of urban heat where the thermometers are sited
Wasnt this the argument last year if i rememebr correct that the uk new record high temprerature in lincolnshire was contaminated , this time because the site that recorded it was near an RAF base?
Nope the serious studies use satellite captured temperatures of the earth's land and sea surfaces Not quite right. The satellite temperatures are surface temperatures which are different from Stevenson Screen readings which are air temperatures approx 4 ft from the ground. The 'serious studies' still use comparisons of Stevenson screen readings and was specifically what the 'record' air temperature of over 40C was recorded as being. The fact it was taken by a runway where three Typhoon jets landed all within 15 minutes of the record temperature has of course nothing to do with the record recorded. As far as I am aware the satellite readings initially showed no temperature increase but a newish study with mathematical fiddle factors applied turned out to get a better co-relation and showed a level of warming comparable with the Stevenson Screen readings. Of course JSO, the BBC and almost everyone else referred to the record 40C as indicative of climate change/global warming/MMGW. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2023 21:28:18 GMT
And as for peer reviewed publications that some put great store in "I just got published in Nature because I stuck to a narrative I knew the editors would like. That’s not the way science should work." "The media, for instance, should stop accepting these papers at face value and do some digging on what’s been left out. The editors of the prominent journals need to expand beyond a narrow focus that pushes the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. And the researchers themselves need to start standing up to editors, or find other places to publish. What really should matter isn’t citations for the journals, clicks for the media, or career status for the academics—but research that actually helps society." www.thefp.com/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published |
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Post by Steve on Sept 6, 2023 22:10:35 GMT
Nah, satellite captured data. www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-clocks-july-2023-as-hottest-month-on-record-ever-since-1880 How anyone could apparenty believe that the mass of measurement points across the globe used for study of global warming could all have been affected by 3 Typhoon jets every measurement is more than a little disturbing Global Warning; established fact Man Made Global Warming: probable Ability to do anything significant about it: likely Real Politic ability to get anything significant done about it: very questionable |
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Post by Orac on Sept 7, 2023 8:52:24 GMT
Science is apolitical. That said politicians like lobbyists who pay them lots of money and lobbyists for certain industries couldn't give a damn about science, only their business interests and are willing to pay to get the political results they need to continue profiteering. Science should be apolitical. Something isn't a-political because it is called science. A lot of the influential and honest people who would have policed this in the past have been removed / retired and replaced with charlatans. The public themselves have been encouraged to stay quiet with browbeating. It's a giant mess |
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Post by Vanna on Sept 7, 2023 9:58:17 GMT
Yes, but as long as good folk do nothing bad things will continue to happen.
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 7, 2023 12:08:57 GMT
Science is apolitical. That said politicians like lobbyists who pay them lots of money and lobbyists for certain industries couldn't give a damn about science, only their business interests and are willing to pay to get the political results they need to continue profiteering. Science should be apolitical. I think the problem is that science is no longer advanced by individual geniuses sitting in a room and thinking. It's become far more specialised. It now depends on vast numbers of disciplines - certainly in the case of climate change anyway. So it's only big organisations (with a lot of funding) that can work on "climate change" as an overall subject. They of course rely on the research of individual scientists in many areas but bodies like the IPCC pick and choose the research that fits their own agenda. And they do NOT employ people who are not on board with their agenda. This is no longer science. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 7, 2023 15:47:17 GMT
But there is the foolishness of exacerbating climate change by the pouring out of greenhouse gasses.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 7, 2023 16:40:28 GMT
Nah, satellite captured data. www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-clocks-july-2023-as-hottest-month-on-record-ever-since-1880 How anyone could apparenty believe that the mass of measurement points across the globe used for study of global warming could all have been affected by 3 Typhoon jets every measurement is more than a little disturbing Global Warning; established fact Man Made Global Warming: probable Ability to do anything significant about it: likely Real Politic ability to get anything significant done about it: very questionable Not sure on the satellite bit; "NASA assembles its temperature record from surface air temperature data from tens of thousands of metrological stations, as well as sea surface temperature data acquired by ship- and buoy-based instruments. This raw data is analyzed using methods that account for the varied spacing of temperature stations around the globe and for urban heating effects that could skew the calculations." It also states clearly they apply correction factors to the results to take account of Urban Heat effect and an estimate of the varied positions of stations yet report to an accuracy level that is not in line with the accuracy of past and current readings. As regards the Typhoon landings and the record UK temperature it is this type of possible contamination that raises many questions as to the accuracy of worldwide readings. Global warming; probable To what degree; not known By what cause; unknown Will man play a part; probable Top what level; no one has any clear idea but probably fairly small. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 7, 2023 17:31:02 GMT
But there is the foolishness of exacerbating climate change by the pouring out of greenhouse gasses. I think that is the point that we do not know if it is foolishness or not and if it is foolish what we do is dwarfed to insignificance by Asia. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 7, 2023 21:48:07 GMT
Nah, satellite captured data. www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-clocks-july-2023-as-hottest-month-on-record-ever-since-1880 How anyone could apparenty believe that the mass of measurement points across the globe used for study of global warming could all have been affected by 3 Typhoon jets every measurement is more than a little disturbing Global Warning; established fact Man Made Global Warming: probable Ability to do anything significant about it: likely Real Politic ability to get anything significant done about it: very questionable Not sure on the satellite bit; "NASA assembles its temperature record from surface air temperature data from tens of thousands of metrological stations, as well as sea surface temperature data acquired by ship- and buoy-based instruments. This raw data is analyzed using methods that account for the varied spacing of temperature stations around the globe and for urban heating effects that could skew the calculations." It also states clearly they apply correction factors to the results to take account of Urban Heat effect and an estimate of the varied positions of stations yet report to an accuracy level that is not in line with the accuracy of past and current readings. As regards the Typhoon landings and the record UK temperature it is this type of possible contamination that raises many questions as to the accuracy of worldwide readings. Global warming; probable To what degree; not known By what cause; unknown Will man play a part; probable Top what level; no one has any clear idea but probably fairly small. I stand corrected on the satellites |
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