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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 23:58:33 GMT
I suggest you go google some of those statements you believe was some official output. They weren't. The junk media just love to publicise 'man bites dog' misrepresentations of the science community consensus. Whoa I referred to lying and exampled statements in common circulation within the MSN. What is official or non official, however you interpret that (and Sid raised an official one in the 97% consensus which is first order junk surrounded by and reinforced by lies) is largely irrelevant. The point being that 'the left' tend to ignore and/or embrace the lies for that which they support yet are up in arms at what they perceive as any misrepresentation by those they hate no matter how small or inconsequential. It may be common in the more tawdry tabloids, maybe you should try media that aim for more discerning readership. And while you're at it contemplate that science doesn't use the media for its publications. You've been played Sandy.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 9:46:02 GMT
It's natural occurrence, the Earths axis (Obliquity of the ecliptic) rotates at 23.5 degrees, that last time it shifted was March 2021 and found that Earth's axis started shifting drastically in 1995, speeding the movement of the poles and changing its direction. The culprit behind that shift, the researchers found, was melting glaciers.
Now all the Green taxes in the World, electric cars, carbon footprints are not going to stop the 'Earths axis from shifting', you are being fed a lie, the taxes are just a big fat con, no amount of money will stop a natural occurrence.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 3, 2023 15:02:49 GMT
Whoa I referred to lying and exampled statements in common circulation within the MSN. What is official or non official, however you interpret that (and Sid raised an official one in the 97% consensus which is first order junk surrounded by and reinforced by lies) is largely irrelevant. The point being that 'the left' tend to ignore and/or embrace the lies for that which they support yet are up in arms at what they perceive as any misrepresentation by those they hate no matter how small or inconsequential. It may be common in the more tawdry tabloids, maybe you should try media that aim for more discerning readership. And while you're at it contemplate that science doesn't use the media for its publications. You've been played Sandy. Well global boiling is a UN secretary-general statement reported and not adversely commented on in Huff Post, Guardian and several other papers. In the same report they referred to the extreme weather patterns we have seen recently for which there is little or no evidence or data other than a heatwave in Southern Europe a fairly common ocurrence. The 97% as Sid evidenced is reported on in many Science associations and organisations 'The Science' does indeed use the media to disseminate its message by way of the IPCC and other bodies and through 'Science Editors' lining up awaiting instructions on what to report next.
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 1:32:23 GMT
No the media selectively reports what the scientists publish on their own dedicated peer review supporting sites
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 1:36:39 GMT
It's natural occurrence, the Earths axis (Obliquity of the ecliptic) rotates at 23.5 degrees, that last time it shifted was March 2021 and found that Earth's axis started shifting drastically in 1995, speeding the movement of the poles and changing its direction. The culprit behind that shift, the researchers found, was melting glaciers. Now all the Green taxes in the World, electric cars, carbon footprints are not going to stop the 'Earths axis from shifting', you are being fed a lie, the taxes are just a big fat con, no amount of money will stop a natural occurrence. But remember that scientists only claim the axis has moved 4 metres as a result. That's less than 40 millions of a degree (aka fuck all)
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 4, 2023 7:10:24 GMT
Any argument worth its salt should be based upon REASON and REASONING For this to happen we need to use Science, scientific based evidence and data, its how the world has progressed, its how discoveries are made and how new medicines are created. Science has progressed because scientists are (usually) free to dispute any theories, check experimental findings and propose new theories. I say "usually" because there have been times when certain bodies (like the Church for example) have intervened to squash theories that were deemed blasphemous (like the Earth orbiting the Sun for example). This held back the science of astronomy. And the reason why the muslims made little contribution to science (since about 1100 AD) is because the imams decided that the printing press was haram so their scientists had little access to scientific papers and books. We now seem to be in a new era of "censorship" where those scientists who dispute the climate change orthodoxy (and there are many) are shutdown or ridiculed. It's partly caused by the fact that the research into the causes of climate change demands access to a vast number of scientific disciplines and access to highly complex computer systems and supercomputers. This means that no one can peer review the work that comes out of bodies like the IPCC - though fortunately it doesn't need peer reviewing because all their predictions are invariably proved wrong with the elapse of time. In fact most of the scientific papers that Cook reviewed (or googled bits of, to be more accurate) were actually about the consequences of climate change - not the causes - and were therefore irrelevant. The other thing is, as I've said before, that the IPCC is NOT a scientific body. A scientific body does research (the IPCC does none) and allows scientists to pursue any theories (whereas the IPCC has determined that the accepted hypothesis is that CO2 causes warming). You seem to be under the misapprehension that the IPCC is a scientific body that's pushing the boundaries of science. It's not. The clue is in the word "Intergovernmental" in its name. It exists to give a consistent view of climate to governments - not to confuse them with competing theories.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 4, 2023 8:59:53 GMT
It's natural occurrence, the Earths axis (Obliquity of the ecliptic) rotates at 23.5 degrees, that last time it shifted was March 2021 and found that Earth's axis started shifting drastically in 1995, speeding the movement of the poles and changing its direction. The culprit behind that shift, the researchers found, was melting glaciers. Now all the Green taxes in the World, electric cars, carbon footprints are not going to stop the 'Earths axis from shifting', you are being fed a lie, the taxes are just a big fat con, no amount of money will stop a natural occurrence. But remember that scientists only claim the axis has moved 4 metres as a result. That's less than 40 millions of a degree (aka fuck all) global warming Changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun and changes in the tilt and wobble of the Earth’s axis can lead to cooling or warming of the Earth’s climate because they change the amount of energy our planet receives from the sun. These changes, known as Milankovitch cycles, cause climate changes on time scales of thousands of years.
Because Earth is tilted, different latitudes receive different sun angles throughout the year. During summertime in the Northern Hemisphere, Earth is tilted so that the Northern Hemisphere is angled more directly at the sun. It receives more direct sunlight and is warmer. At the same time, the Southern Hemisphere is angled away from the sun, so it receives less direct sunlight and experiences winter. The axial tilt doesn't change throughout the year, but as Earth travels to the other side of the sun, the opposite hemisphere is angled toward the sun and the seasons change.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 4, 2023 15:22:48 GMT
No the media selectively reports what the scientists publish on their own dedicated peer review supporting sites Which of course is the whole point. I do repeat however that the IPCC report makes the ground rules and sets the tone for the media in general to follow. The IPCC is the mouthpiece through which 'the science' speaks. I also repeat that several items, and referenced by Sid, that were specific lies were from sites and organisations taking their info direct from the IPCC. The main one is the 97% consensus which is supposed to be what 'the science' believes and that result was produced by a peer reviewed paper and published in the dedicated journals of 'the science'.
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 22:24:02 GMT
But remember that scientists only claim the axis has moved 4 metres as a result. That's less than 40 millions of a degree (aka fuck all) global warming Changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun and changes in the tilt and wobble of the Earth’s axis can lead to cooling or warming of the Earth’s climate because they change the amount of energy our planet receives from the sun. These changes, known as Milankovitch cycles, cause climate changes on time scales of thousands of years.
Because Earth is tilted, different latitudes receive different sun angles throughout the year. During summertime in the Northern Hemisphere, Earth is tilted so that the Northern Hemisphere is angled more directly at the sun. It receives more direct sunlight and is warmer. At the same time, the Southern Hemisphere is angled away from the sun, so it receives less direct sunlight and experiences winter. The axial tilt doesn't change throughout the year, but as Earth travels to the other side of the sun, the opposite hemisphere is angled toward the sun and the seasons change.
40 millionths of a degree. Do you realise how tiny and inconsequential that is
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 5, 2023 6:31:02 GMT
No the media selectively reports what the scientists publish on their own dedicated peer review supporting sites Which of course is the whole point. I do repeat however that the IPCC report makes the ground rules and sets the tone for the media in general to follow. The IPCC is the mouthpiece through which 'the science' speaks. I also repeat that several items, and referenced by Sid, that were specific lies were from sites and organisations taking their info direct from the IPCC. The main one is the 97% consensus which is supposed to be what 'the science' believes and that result was produced by a peer reviewed paper and published in the dedicated journals of 'the science'. The whole idea of attempting to promote a scientific theory by saying "97% of scientists" believe it is very strange - and unscientific. Scientific theories are judged entirely on whether they "work", which usually means making accurate predictions. I've never heard of any poll of how many scientists believe the theory of relativity or quantum theory. After all they can't believe both because they're based on entirely different models and often give different results. Basically they're probably both wrong but that doesn't matter because they both work in their own fields. It wouldn't matter if even 100% of scientists believed the CO2 theory when the predictions made by the models are invariably wrong. The CO2 warming theory is therefore wrong. BTW only about 30% of the CO2 in the air is produced by humans - that's 30% of the 0.04% of CO2 in the atmosphere. And this 30% makes little difference to the greenhouse effect because the graph is logarithmic, so the more you have the (very much) less greenhouse effect it has. But the extra CO2 does have a marked effect on crop growth and the cooling caused by photosynthesis.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 5, 2023 6:41:27 GMT
It may be common in the more tawdry tabloids, maybe you should try media that aim for more discerning readership. And while you're at it contemplate that science doesn't use the media for its publications. You've been played Sandy. Well global boiling is a UN secretary-general statement reported and not adversely commented on in Huff Post, Guardian and several other papers. In the same report they referred to the extreme weather patterns we have seen recently for which there is little or no evidence or data other than a heatwave in Southern Europe a fairly common ocurrence. The 97% as Sid evidenced is reported on in many Science associations and organisations 'The Science' does indeed use the media to disseminate its message by way of the IPCC and other bodies and through 'Science Editors' lining up awaiting instructions on what to report next. Indeed.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 5, 2023 9:06:43 GMT
global warming Changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun and changes in the tilt and wobble of the Earth’s axis can lead to cooling or warming of the Earth’s climate because they change the amount of energy our planet receives from the sun. These changes, known as Milankovitch cycles, cause climate changes on time scales of thousands of years.
Because Earth is tilted, different latitudes receive different sun angles throughout the year. During summertime in the Northern Hemisphere, Earth is tilted so that the Northern Hemisphere is angled more directly at the sun. It receives more direct sunlight and is warmer. At the same time, the Southern Hemisphere is angled away from the sun, so it receives less direct sunlight and experiences winter. The axial tilt doesn't change throughout the year, but as Earth travels to the other side of the sun, the opposite hemisphere is angled toward the sun and the seasons change.
40 millionths of a degree. Do you realise how tiny and inconsequential that is At the end of the day no amount of green taxes will prevent Natural Phenomena, gravity, tides, moon, sun, volcano's, so on and so on ... it's completely out of our hands, by putting green taxes on our energy bills, fuel bills, ULEZ and anything else they can think of will not stop any of these occurrences, the taxes are just a con, nothing more nothing less, if they were genuine concerned about one major environmental scandal, it would be chopping down millions of trees, which they don't appear to be interested in ... now if they want to 'save the planet' .. that's what they should be focused on.
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Post by see2 on Sept 5, 2023 16:49:49 GMT
"actively publishing climate scientists" - ie those who are pushing that agenda. Note, it isn't 97% of scientists - it's 97% of scientists who already subscribe to these theories. Which is a very different story. You see how far the labour party have fallen from their roots when sid the socialist is actively supporting taxing the working class till the pip squeaks in the name of the climate religion.
Keir hardie would be turning in his grave listening to the utter drivel these new labour cult members spout.
i dont think the working class give a flying fuck what 97 % of scientists allegedly think if it means them becoming poorer and hungrier due to labours climate agenda and tax and spend drooling if they take power at the next election , which im increasingly doubting.
Please, personal politically biased opinions are not good debatable points.
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Post by Steve on Sept 6, 2023 0:06:53 GMT
40 millionths of a degree. Do you realise how tiny and inconsequential that is At the end of the day no amount of green taxes will prevent Natural Phenomena, gravity, tides, moon, sun, volcano's, so on and so on ... it's completely out of our hands, by putting green taxes on our energy bills, fuel bills, ULEZ and anything else they can think of will not stop any of these occurrences, the taxes are just a con, nothing more nothing less, if they were genuine concerned about one major environmental scandal, it would be chopping down millions of trees, which they don't appear to be interested in ... now if they want to 'save the planet' .. that's what they should be focused on. That we can't prevent natural phenomena doesn't mean we shouldn't do something about what we can address. You call the taxes a con and there's obviously a huge element of them being just using MMGW theory an an excuse but it's a well evidenced fact that taxes do deter use of whatever is taxed. The crux of all this is IF MMGW theory is true why would you not do what you could? And no one has disproved the theory, very much not.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 6, 2023 0:47:45 GMT
At the end of the day no amount of green taxes will prevent Natural Phenomena, gravity, tides, moon, sun, volcano's, so on and so on ... it's completely out of our hands, by putting green taxes on our energy bills, fuel bills, ULEZ and anything else they can think of will not stop any of these occurrences, the taxes are just a con, nothing more nothing less, if they were genuine concerned about one major environmental scandal, it would be chopping down millions of trees, which they don't appear to be interested in ... now if they want to 'save the planet' .. that's what they should be focused on. You call the taxes a con and there's obviously a huge element of them being just using MMGW theory an an excuse but it's a well evidenced fact that taxes do deter use of whatever is taxed. Maybe we should tax net zero bullshit then...
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