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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 8:13:19 GMT
I think this thread needs a brief interlude... NO public funds should ever be given to so called religious organisations.It amazes me that whilst we have homeless people living on our streets,young families staying in Temporary Accommodation then OUR money should be better spent.Why are these public servants never accountable ?......O wonder if this blot on the landscape evev had planning permisssion?
Horror as mosque that has decades-long history of alleged extremism and hate speech, including an imam who gave sermon on how to STONE women 'correctly', is handed £2 MILLION grant - before civil servants rush to freeze it Birmingham's Green Lane Mosque was awarded the grant to build a youth centre This comes despite its imam being filmed giving sermons on stoning women
Bungling civil servants had to urgently freeze a £2 million grant they gave to an infamous mosque that has a decades-long history of alleged extremism and hate speech, The Mail on Sunday has been told.
The Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham was awarded the money to build a youth centre, despite its imams being filmed giving sermons on how to stone a woman 'correctly' for adultery and delivering speeches that appear to incite murder of homosexuals.
Last month, a video of a sermon delivered by the mosque's head imam, Sheikh Zakaullah Saleem ( pictured), emerged on social media, where he told his congregation of the correct way to stone a woman after she had been found guilty of adultery
The mosque was once featured in a Channel 4 documentary where one firebrand imam was filmed preaching violent jihad against 'the kuffar', a derogatory term for unbelievers.
Officials had transferred £77,000 to the mosque before an anti-extremism group called Focus on Western Islamism (FWI) raised the alarm. The rest of the award was halted when FWI appeared to present evidence showing how the mosque's clerics promoted hate speech.
The £2.2 million grant was offered by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), from a £300 million pot set up to fund youth centres across Britain.
The lefty run Civil Service can't wait to waste tax payers cash, wait till Mr Confetti man becomes PM, he'll be like a kid let loose in a candy shop. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 8:17:38 GMT
I thought B4 hit the nail squarely on the head. Well in that case you'll be able to help B-4 out with Walter's question by showing us this supposed blasphemy law that's been put on our statute books. Can you? Won't hold my breath I have no interest in educating a bunch of dishonest authoritarian lefties who intentionally fail to comprehend my argument. Sandypine and others seem to understand it, and that's because they have their own mind and can use their intelligence and logic to chain together the reasons I reached this conclusion.
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It's defacto blasphemy laws.
I am fully away that there are people who abuse the system for the benefit of some cult. I am fully aware that the authoritarian left and the overall establishment will continue to do so, and for their own twisted and extreme reasons. Terrorism, threats of violence and killings over a joke or a drawing are rewarded because that reward conveniently undermines freedom, which pleases Big Brother.
I honestly have no interest in trying to convince you, Steve. It's those who can think for themselves and actually disagree with your attacks on freedom who interest me.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 8:48:31 GMT
No it's not. Intelligent people know the difference between blasphemy and deliberate attempts to cause distress and/or violent response.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 8:52:19 GMT
I think this thread needs a brief interlude... NO public funds should ever be given to so called religious organisations. . . . Certainly not to the religions that in any way advocate discrimination against women (which is most of them) or allow their premises to be used to advocate overthrow of the state. And then there's the tax breaks and ability to facilitate immigration of extreme imans - they need to be stopped to. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 9:03:33 GMT
No it's not. Intelligent people know the difference between blasphemy and deliberate attempts to cause distress and/or violent response. Just as I can conclude that you suppport those who will react violently to the spoken word and will happily embrace defacto blasphemy laws for your chosen cult - an accessory to terrorism. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 3, 2023 9:42:26 GMT
NO public funds should ever be given to so called religious organisations. . . . Certainly not to the religions that in any way advocate discrimination against women (which is most of them) or allow their premises to be used to advocate overthrow of the state. And then there's the tax breaks and ability to facilitate immigration of extreme imans - they need to be stopped to. Its just not women who are discriminated look at the Muslim treatment for homosexuality. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 9:53:35 GMT
Certainly not to the religions that in any way advocate discrimination against women (which is most of them) or allow their premises to be used to advocate overthrow of the state. And then there's the tax breaks and ability to facilitate immigration of extreme imans - they need to be stopped to. Its just not women who are discriminated look at the Muslim treatment for homosexuality. It beggars belief that the UK tax payers are funding extremists, the woke civil service funding terrorists, is it any wonder they are laughing their heads off, ... head to the UK they not only put you up in luxury hotels on full board, they give us phones and money, and huge grants to fund our terrorist movement, and they don't even bother to check who we are, we just hop in to a dinghy throw away our IDs and ... BINGO. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 3, 2023 10:02:03 GMT
Its just not women who are discriminated look at the Muslim treatment for homosexuality. It beggars belief that the UK tax payers are funding extremists, the woke civil service funding terrorists, is it any wonder they are laughing their heads off, ... head to the UK they not only put you up in luxury hotels on full board, they give us phones and money, and huge grants to fund our terrorist movement, and they don't even bother to check who we are, we just hop in to a dinghy throw away our IDs and ... BINGO. The moslem faith should not be allowed in any civilised country mate let alone being allowed to build mosques. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 10:07:16 GMT
It beggars belief that the UK tax payers are funding extremists, the woke civil service funding terrorists, is it any wonder they are laughing their heads off, ... head to the UK they not only put you up in luxury hotels on full board, they give us phones and money, and huge grants to fund our terrorist movement, and they don't even bother to check who we are, we just hop in to a dinghy throw away our IDs and ... BINGO. The moslem faith should not be allowed in any civilised country mate let alone being allowed to build mosques. They know every trick in the book to 'work the system', they know how to drain the tax payers, they have human rights lawyers and FREE legal aid to fight their corner, while white British born people aren't entitled to legal aid, we are treated like second class citizens in our own country, the UK is the only country where this can happen. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 3, 2023 10:23:00 GMT
TBH this whole thread is a bowl of spaghetti.
Are you speaking of population, law or culture?
Muslims made up 6.7% of the UK population in 2021 (Wiki).
So it isnt population.
AFAIK there are no laws instigated by Islamic teachingd on the statute books in the UK. Any Sharia law is subordinate to UK law.
Culturally i see far less impact of Islam than those faiths from India as changing traditional British culture.
What i DO see is the underground rivers of Islamic money in spaces such as ownership or sponsorship of football teams, into influential clubs frequented by politicians, and latterly one elevated to a peerage.
I see a large blind eye as the government happily sells arms to Saudi Arabia, thus allowing fundamentalist Muslims a lot of leverage if they so chose to use it.
But what is a Christian country? UK law, tradition ans culture are all solidly based on our understanding of christianity. For example there is no capital punishment, based on the principle of mercy and a rejection of the eye for an eye Judaic principle. UK law is respectful of others...love thy neighbour. As tradition and culture, holidays are still Biblically based, there is no favouritism in sport...many top football players are Muslum. The banking and tax system is based on Christian principles of interest and not the Muslim zakat.
So no. I cannot see anything except paranoia that supports the idea that the UK is no longer a Christian country.
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Post by Orac on Sept 3, 2023 10:36:18 GMT
TBH this whole thread is a bowl of spaghetti. Are you speaking of population, law or culture? Muslims made up 6.7% of the UK population in 2021 (Wiki). So it isnt population. Islam represents undue, oversized (politically amplified) influence which (naturally enough) expands with population. Looking at the state of the middle east, there is no good reason to think such a compromise is remotely in our interests. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 3, 2023 10:48:41 GMT
TBH this whole thread is a bowl of spaghetti. Are you speaking of population, law or culture? Muslims made up 6.7% of the UK population in 2021 (Wiki). So it isnt population. Islam represents undue, oversized (politically amplified) influence which (naturally enough) expands with population. Looking at the state of the middle east, there is no good reason to think such a compromise is remotely in our interests. 6.7% is oversized?? It has no political power in the UK If you see the presence if Islam a problem, it isnt the population. It is that fewer people follow Christianity. Fewer people identify with Christianity. And you have completely omitted the rising number of people who say they identify with no faith. Across England and Wales, 46% of people identified as being Christian, 37% said they had no religion, 6% identified as Muslim, and 2% identified as Hindu. Around 2% identified as being Buddhist, Sikh, Jewish or of another religion.Apr 11, 2023 commonslibrary.parliament.uk › ... Constituency data: Religion, 2021 census |
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Post by Orac on Sept 3, 2023 10:57:52 GMT
Islam represents undue, oversized (politically amplified) influence which (naturally enough) expands with population. Looking at the state of the middle east, there is no good reason to think such a compromise is remotely in our interests. If you see the presence if Islam a problem, it isnt the population. Let me clarify - Yes 6.7% is 'too much' and Islam's political influence is amplified by what Islam is. (its historical MO) Very few (say) Christians or Hindus (say) vote, or even act politically, of the basis of religious affiliation. In Islam, this sort of thing is almost de-rigueur Islam's political influence is also amplified by parts of the left, who leverage its presence as societal sabotage. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 3, 2023 11:08:23 GMT
It beggars belief that the UK tax payers are funding extremists, the woke civil service funding terrorists, is it any wonder they are laughing their heads off, ... head to the UK they not only put you up in luxury hotels on full board, they give us phones and money, and huge grants to fund our terrorist movement, and they don't even bother to check who we are, we just hop in to a dinghy throw away our IDs and ... BINGO. The moslem faith should not be allowed in any civilised country mate let alone being allowed to build mosques. No civilised country should restrict religious freedom. That's a slippery slope that can end with ovens. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 11:09:31 GMT
Certainly not to the religions that in any way advocate discrimination against women (which is most of them) or allow their premises to be used to advocate overthrow of the state. And then there's the tax breaks and ability to facilitate immigration of extreme imans - they need to be stopped to. Its just not women who are discriminated look at the Muslim treatment for homosexuality. true, good point |
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