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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 11:12:10 GMT
No it's not. Intelligent people know the difference between blasphemy and deliberate attempts to cause distress and/or violent response. Just as I can conclude that you suppport those who will react violently to the spoken word and will happily embrace defacto blasphemy laws for your chosen cult - an accessory to terrorism. You can think that but you'd be  Seems me calling the Quran abhorrent and the religion one that should be defunded and restricted just get rejected by your reality filter |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 3, 2023 11:13:16 GMT
If you see the presence if Islam a problem, it isnt the population. Let me clarify - Yes 6.7% is 'too much' and Islam's political influence is amplified by what Islam is. (its historical MO) Very few (say) Christians or Hindus (say) vote, or even act politically, of the basis of religious affiliation. In Islam, this sort of thing is almost de-rigueur Islam's political influence is also amplified by parts of the left, who leverage its presence as societal sabotage. You completely ignored the point of my post. And you are making sweeping assumptions supported by nothing but manufactured fear. Now how about addressing the fact that 37% of the UK population say they have no faith? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 3, 2023 11:19:55 GMT
Let me clarify - Yes 6.7% is 'too much' and Islam's political influence is amplified by what Islam is. (its historical MO) Very few (say) Christians or Hindus (say) vote, or even act politically, of the basis of religious affiliation. In Islam, this sort of thing is almost de-rigueur Islam's political influence is also amplified by parts of the left, who leverage its presence as societal sabotage. You completely ignored the point of my post. And you are making sweeping assumptions supported by nothing but manufactured fear. Now how about addressing the fact that 37% of the UK population say they have no faith? I don't see how I ignored your post at all. You feel introducing large numbers of Muslims into your community is a good idea and feel it is akin to committing societal suicide. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 3, 2023 11:25:21 GMT
The moslem faith should not be allowed in any civilised country mate let alone being allowed to build mosques. No civilised country should restrict religious freedom. That's a slippery slope that can end with ovens. If the moslems got their way they would be building ovens. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 3, 2023 11:52:36 GMT
You completely ignored the point of my post. And you are making sweeping assumptions supported by nothing but manufactured fear. Now how about addressing the fact that 37% of the UK population say they have no faith? I don't see how I ignored your post at all. You feel introducing large numbers of Muslims into your community is a good idea and feel it is akin to committing societal suicide. So not only do you refuse to respond to my principal point but you make up things i didnt say. I never said i advocate introducing large numbers of Muslims into the UK. DID I? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 12:04:17 GMT
The fall of Christianity has not coincided with the rise of Islam
The fall of Christianity is because more and more people have turned their backs on religion, mostly white, British people.
Most Brits see religion as irelevant, boring, outdated and false, and people no longer wish to be dictated to by moralising preachers who wish to tell us what we can, and cannot do.
THey did it themselves by not realising that they are not invincible, the Churches did not want change, they made themselves irelevant and boring. Who the F wants to go and sit in a cold void and listen to a man or woman in a pulpit reading from some old book about Thee and Thy and Though.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 3, 2023 13:36:09 GMT
The fall of Christianity has not coincided with the rise of Islam The fall of Christianity is because more and more people have turned their backs on religion, mostly white, British people. Most Brits see religion as irelevant, boring, outdated and false, and people no longer wish to be dictated to by moralising preachers who wish to tell us what we can, and cannot do. THey did it themselves by not realising that they are not invincible, the Churches did not want change, they made themselves irelevant and boring. Who the F wants to go and sit in a cold void and listen to a man or woman in a pulpit reading from some old book about Thee and Thy and Though. The thread is about this country …and in the UK the rise of Islam HAS coincided with Christianity being irrelevant. Yes White, British people are turning their backs on Christianity while we have been importing Islam through migrants and their children. As for the Christian church not wanting to change . What nonsense . The Church of England is a completely different entity than it was in the last couple of generations . It has bent over backwards to accommodate everyone else accept the church goers who believed in tradition Christian dogma . |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 3, 2023 13:51:58 GMT
Blasphemy law is no answer to bigotry in the wake of Denmark’s Qur’an burnings Should governments ban the “improper treatment of objects of significant religious importance to a religious community”? That is what the Danish government is suggesting in a new law it announced last week that could see offenders imprisoned for two years. The proposed ban comes after a spate of incidents in Sweden and Denmark in which Qur’ans have been publicly burned, provoking an outcry across the Muslim world.
The answer to the question is both simple and complex. It is simple because any law outlawing any kind of blasphemy is unacceptable and should be opposed. Having abolished its blasphemy law in 2017, for Denmark to seek to reintroduce it in a new form is retrogressive. It is complex, though, because at the heart of the controversy lie two issues: on the one hand, freedom of religion and speech, and, on the other, anti-Muslim bigotry. In defending the first, one must also oppose the second.
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Post by patman post on Sept 3, 2023 14:38:18 GMT
The fall of Christianity has not coincided with the rise of Islam The fall of Christianity is because more and more people have turned their backs on religion, mostly white, British people. Most Brits see religion as irelevant, boring, outdated and false, and people no longer wish to be dictated to by moralising preachers who wish to tell us what we can, and cannot do. THey did it themselves by not realising that they are not invincible, the Churches did not want change, they made themselves irelevant and boring. Who the F wants to go and sit in a cold void and listen to a man or woman in a pulpit reading from some old book about Thee and Thy and Though. I disagree with most of your points.
Firstly, the drop in church-going and the fall in practising Christians in the UK has coincided with the rise in Islam but, I assume like you, I don't think it has been caused by it.
People's reasons and excuses for being non-practising Christians or religiously unaffiliated, vary widely — from laziness and indifference (as in my case) to antipathy to being preached at, and outright disbelief.
As for the (KJ) Bible and its language, it's far from boring for some — many people find the language beautiful and captivating — and you have to admit that it's been a source of inspiration across the whole world of arts, including Holywood.
Some time ago I found a comprehensible, interesting and readable study entitled "Being Christian in Western Europe". It explains and quantifies a lot, even though it's some five years old...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 15:32:26 GMT
The fall of Christianity has not coincided with the rise of Islam The fall of Christianity is because more and more people have turned their backs on religion, mostly white, British people. Most Brits see religion as irelevant, boring, outdated and false, and people no longer wish to be dictated to by moralising preachers who wish to tell us what we can, and cannot do. THey did it themselves by not realising that they are not invincible, the Churches did not want change, they made themselves irelevant and boring. Who the F wants to go and sit in a cold void and listen to a man or woman in a pulpit reading from some old book about Thee and Thy and Though. I never said in my post that Christianity has fallen. It has not fallen. It has moved from mainstream churches which ignore scripture, into homes and small evangelical churches which continue to preach from the Bible. Without the Bible, Christianity is a concept which some like to turn into humanitarianism and doing "good". When, in fact, without the Bible they don't know good from bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 17:06:45 GMT
If you see the presence if Islam a problem, it isnt the population. Let me clarify - Yes 6.7% is 'too much' and Islam's political influence is amplified by what Islam is. (its historical MO) Very few (say) Christians or Hindus (say) vote, or even act politically, of the basis of religious affiliation. In Islam, this sort of thing is almost de-rigueur Islam's political influence is also amplified by parts of the left, who leverage its presence as societal sabotage. Yep. They're always at the front to support it, and even on this thread are virtue signalling about religious freedoms whilst celebrating the so-called demise of Christianity in this country. That's fine and dandy, but both the Left and their cult are all about restricting freedoms as seen by their overt intolerance of everything they label. The shameless hypocrisy on the Left is why I see no point in engaging with them most of the time. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 17:11:18 GMT
Let me clarify - Yes 6.7% is 'too much' and Islam's political influence is amplified by what Islam is. (its historical MO) Very few (say) Christians or Hindus (say) vote, or even act politically, of the basis of religious affiliation. In Islam, this sort of thing is almost de-rigueur Islam's political influence is also amplified by parts of the left, who leverage its presence as societal sabotage. Yep. They're always at the front to support it, and even on this thread are virtue signalling about religious freedoms whilst celebrating the so-called demise of Christianity in this country. That's fine and dandy, but both the Left and their cult are all about restricting freedoms as seen by their overt intolerance of everything they label. The shameless hypocrisy on the Left is why I see no point in engaging with them most of the time. King Charles head of the Church of England is to woke to promote Christianity in case he 'offends' other religions, imagine how his Royal ancestors would react, they'd have got the guillotine or axe out , now it's the other way round people are afraid to say they are Christians in case the woke snowflake virtue signaling diversity halfwits call them racists, if our own King wont defend his own faith, what chance have the rest of us got. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 17:47:53 GMT
Woke Charles with a woke Archbishop
King Charles III’s ‘People Of All Faiths’ Pledge: Why They’ve Introduced New Inclusive Language As More Crown Critics Emerge
Charles’ coronation oath will feature a new pledge, created by the Archbishop of Canterbury, to make the United Kingdom welcoming for all faiths, a break from tradition, and also a possible response to a more pluralistic U.K. eyeing the royals with more skepticism and scorn.
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Post by vlk on Sept 3, 2023 18:01:49 GMT
Christianity is in decline in all of the west but no creed as much as catholicism.
Countries like Ireland, Poland and Lithuania used to be bastions but these days nobody cares.
Wasn't there actually a time not so long ago that contraceptives had to be smuggled into Ireland because the church didn't allow them?
These days nominally catholic countries in Europe have the lowest birth-rates, which shouldn't even be possible if they were genuinely catholic.
One Spanish guy I knew years ago told me people in Spain consider the church as absolute bullshit. I know, one person is not a very representative sample to evaluate the opinion of a whole country but I believe him anyway.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 3, 2023 18:11:43 GMT
Christianity is in decline in all of the west but no creed as much as catholicism. Countries like Ireland, Poland and Lithuania used to be bastions but these days nobody cares. Wasn't there actually a time not so long ago that contraceptives had to be smuggled into Ireland because the church didn't allow them? These days nominally catholic countries in Europe have the lowest birth-rates, which shouldn't even be possible if they were genuinely catholic. One Spanish guy I knew years ago told me people in Spain consider the church as absolute bullshit. I know, one person is not a very representative sample to evaluate the opinion of a whole country but I believe him anyway. Well the foundations for most countries is their religious beliefs, take the UK for example, the court of law is all based on religion, ... take the Bible in your right hand.
The US currency .....President Dwight Eisenhower signed into law a bill that required "In God We Trust" to be printed on all coin and paper currency. On July 11, 1955, Congress passed H.R. 619, which mandate.
Whether you like or believe in Religion of any faith, it lays the foundations for law and order, what's fundamental of right and wrong, good and evil, I think we should have Religions, but not to the point that any one religion supersedes another, and not a Religion that becomes fanatical, we need to draw the line in the sand that can't be crossed.
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