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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 9:16:41 GMT
A public order law can function as a blasphemy law by categorising all blasphemy as a breach of public order. Case solved? This illustrates the danger of vague, billowing wide open law 100% correct As with the new Criminal Justice Bill, far too many open ends, loopholes, ways of interpretation or misinterpretation. The more we see, the more its becoming evident that this government resembles a truly amateur government, its as though it is devoid of experienced law making, lacking of small print or detail, often reminiscent of authoritarian regimes or bananna republics. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2023 9:23:57 GMT
Anyone that believes we have a blasphemy law is free to report to the authorities my post yesterday where I described the Quran as 'abhorrent'. I should point out though that the authorities have all sorts of powers to detain people under the Mental Health Acts As the CPS put it: 'By contrast, behaviour which does not amount to an offence in criminal law, such as blasphemy, . .'link |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 1, 2023 9:24:40 GMT
A public order law can function as a blasphemy law by categorising all blasphemy as a breach of public order. Case solved? This illustrates the danger of vague, billowing wide open law 100% correct As with the new Criminal Justice Bill, far too many open ends, loopholes, ways of interpretation or misinterpretation. The more we see, the more its becoming evident that this government resembles a truly amateur government, its as though it is devoid of experienced law making, lacking of small print or detail, often reminiscent of authoritarian regimes or bananna republics. And of course it would be so much better under labour....LOL we would all be issued with prayer mats ffs. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 1, 2023 9:54:46 GMT
A public order law can function as a blasphemy law by categorising all blasphemy as a breach of public order. Case solved? This illustrates the danger of vague, billowing wide open law 100% correct As with the new Criminal Justice Bill, far too many open ends, loopholes, ways of interpretation or misinterpretation. The more we see, the more its becoming evident that this government resembles a truly amateur government, its as though it is devoid of experienced law making, lacking of small print or detail, often reminiscent of authoritarian regimes or bananna republics. One reason the Tories can't get their act together because they aren't fully 'focused' on the matters to hand.
We know there is still bitching going on over Brexit, and the in-house fighting ...Brexiteers v Remoaners, you can't have a functional government when they are at odds with themselves, we know where we stand with Labour/Starmer/Blair there wont be any Brexiteers they are all Remoaners so we know they'll just 100% focus on rejoining the EU.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 1, 2023 15:46:02 GMT
..it is still a blasphemy law no matter how much others say it is not. No it isn't. Taken case by case, it's a Public Order offense. This covers "the use of threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, writing or other visible representation." Last year, I had Sergeant Eldest Son (and a highly paid barrister - who was nowhere near as concise) give me the rundown on P.O Law, as our production is keen to stay on the right side of it (our portrayal of some Christian and Islamic sects is pretty much guaranteed to put supporters of any of them in a snit..). You are being too pedantic. If anyone blaspheming against Islam makes Muslims angry and feel insulted then it is blasphemy that is the problem. We can call it an Uncle Tom Cobley law if we wish and say it is not a blasphemy law but at some point reality kicks in and if you blaspheme against Islam publicly that is the PO offence. There was also the case of the porcelain pigs on display in a window near a Mosque and the police confiscated them using the PO act www.independent.co.uk/news/police-intervene-in-battle-of-offensive-china-pigs-1157337.htmlSo perhaps we are there already only it is an all encompassing PO act that is used as a blasphemy act. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 1, 2023 15:56:48 GMT
No it isn't. Taken case by case, it's a Public Order offense. This covers "the use of threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, writing or other visible representation." Last year, I had Sergeant Eldest Son (and a highly paid barrister - who was nowhere near as concise) give me the rundown on P.O Law, as our production is keen to stay on the right side of it (our portrayal of some Christian and Islamic sects is pretty much guaranteed to put supporters of any of them in a snit..). You are being too pedantic. It's not really pedantry, it's dishonesty Everyone knows the name of a fact doesn't change the fact. If blasphemy breaks the law, you have a 'blasphemy law' that makes it illegal |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 1, 2023 16:07:19 GMT
You are being too pedantic. It's not really pedantry, it's dishonesty Everyone knows the name of a fact doesn't change the fact. If blasphemy breaks the law, you have a 'blasphemy law' that makes it illegal I was trying to play nicely, but you are right. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 18:32:22 GMT
A public order law can function as a blasphemy law by categorising all blasphemy as a breach of public order. Case solved? This illustrates the danger of vague, billowing wide open law All people need to do is look at the arrest of Hatun Tash for a public order offence at speaker's corner. It stopped her speaking her mind about various issues including Islam. It also cost the Met police £10,000 but the damage was already done. The right to free speech on Islam is de facto curtailed. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 1, 2023 18:55:26 GMT
Not if you're a priest.. (Personally, I see it as a good news story. Now we just need to hope other religions will join the decline.) No Walter, all religions will not decline. Christianity in this once Christian country is certainly in decline, but I'm sure you will be thrilled to hear that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 1, 2023 19:02:17 GMT
I think this thread needs a brief interlude...
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2023 20:24:47 GMT
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Post by vlk on Sept 1, 2023 21:04:02 GMT
When was the last time when Coe could claim to have more than 50% of the population? 1950 perhaps?
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2023 21:11:13 GMT
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Post by Orac on Sept 1, 2023 21:11:21 GMT
When was the last time when Coe could claim to have more than 50% of the population? 1950 perhaps? Sure. but the church is part of calm and orderly cultural milieu that makes England such an attractive draw If people are coming here to get England, we should give it them as hard as we can |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 3, 2023 4:45:46 GMT
I think this thread needs a brief interlude... NO public funds should ever be given to so called religious organisations.It amazes me that whilst we have homeless people living on our streets,young families staying in Temporary Accommodation then OUR money should be better spent.Why are these public servants never accountable ?......O wonder if this blot on the landscape evev had planning permisssion?
Horror as mosque that has decades-long history of alleged extremism and hate speech, including an imam who gave sermon on how to STONE women 'correctly', is handed £2 MILLION grant - before civil servants rush to freeze it Birmingham's Green Lane Mosque was awarded the grant to build a youth centre This comes despite its imam being filmed giving sermons on stoning women
Bungling civil servants had to urgently freeze a £2 million grant they gave to an infamous mosque that has a decades-long history of alleged extremism and hate speech, The Mail on Sunday has been told.
The Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham was awarded the money to build a youth centre, despite its imams being filmed giving sermons on how to stone a woman 'correctly' for adultery and delivering speeches that appear to incite murder of homosexuals.
Last month, a video of a sermon delivered by the mosque's head imam, Sheikh Zakaullah Saleem ( pictured), emerged on social media, where he told his congregation of the correct way to stone a woman after she had been found guilty of adultery
The mosque was once featured in a Channel 4 documentary where one firebrand imam was filmed preaching violent jihad against 'the kuffar', a derogatory term for unbelievers.
Officials had transferred £77,000 to the mosque before an anti-extremism group called Focus on Western Islamism (FWI) raised the alarm. The rest of the award was halted when FWI appeared to present evidence showing how the mosque's clerics promoted hate speech.
The £2.2 million grant was offered by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), from a £300 million pot set up to fund youth centres across Britain.
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