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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 20:06:39 GMT
Although the constitution of the UK is based on Christianity with the King the head of the Church of England, I would agree with the OP that this country is not truly a Christian country.
People who claim to be be Christians don't even know what it means.
There are millions from other faiths in the country. It would be interesting to compare mosque visit numbers on Fridays with church visits on Sundays.
Sad, though, as Christianity has been good for Britain, in general.
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 30, 2023 20:14:11 GMT
The UK isn't going to have an Islamic revolution. Get a grip man, where's your British stiff upper lip? Where's your faith in western democracy gone? You made a statement that was pulpably wrong . Religious dogma can be forced upon others and often is . Islam is fast becoming more relevant than Christianity. You have no idea what might happen in the religious vacuum created by the demise of Christianity . Personally I wouldn’t trust lefties to hold firm against an Islamic revolution. Indeed. And that's the worrying thing. lefties would more than likely pander to these people. Though it would be interesting to see how the lefties reconcile the alphabet people's wants, with the mad mullah's wants. Trust in western democracy is fast eroding. Nutters who can't define what a woman is will soon take over the asylum and the BRICS and the rest of the world just laugh at the West's own self-made demise. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 20:26:35 GMT
We are part of the most liberal and secular continent in the world, all European countries ( exc The Vatican ) are secular states. There is no possibility on the horizon of Islam becoming the majority religion in Europe.
Also, many Muslim majority countries, and countries with large Muslim populations are secular states, including Indonesia which has the worlds largest Muslim population.
INdia has more Muslims than Iran and Iraq combined, but India s constitution is strictly secular, most Muslim countries are not Islamic Republics.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 30, 2023 20:34:43 GMT
You made a statement that was pulpably wrong . Religious dogma can be forced upon others and often is . Islam is fast becoming more relevant than Christianity. You have no idea what might happen in the religious vacuum created by the demise of Christianity . Personally I wouldn’t trust lefties to hold firm against an Islamic revolution. Indeed. And that's the worrying thing. lefties would more than likely pander to these people. Though it would be interesting to see how the lefties reconcile the alphabet people's wants, with the mad mullah's wants. Trust in western democracy is fast eroding. Nutters who can't define what a woman is will soon take over the asylum and the BRICS and the rest of the world just laugh at the West's own self-made demise. The fact that a leftie wants to ban the CofE from politics ,a church who seems to have abandoned traditional Christian dogma and is far more leftie than many lefties , seems to suggest that lefties are incapable of thinking beyond their own dogma . Ironic really . |
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Post by walterpaisley on Aug 30, 2023 22:09:16 GMT
Lefties are scoring an own goal if they want to boot Christian clerics out of politics . CofE clerics are the most ‘ liberal style lefties “ people you can meet . I know a couple of local vicars, rabbis and an imam. (beyond which, our current project is calling upon the services of advisors from all three of the major European faiths..) All of whom are as liberal as anyone I could wish to hang with. I also know that they're just individuals - and that there are plenty of others who wear the same cloth who are intolerant bigots on every area from culture and belief to sexuality. No matter what their views, though, and however closely (or otherwise) they may align with my own, I don't want them to have a say in how the country is governed or how I should live my life. Thankfully, I don't feel I need worry about any of these people holding any great influence over our secular society. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 30, 2023 22:33:25 GMT
Lefties are scoring an own goal if they want to boot Christian clerics out of politics . CofE clerics are the most ‘ liberal style lefties “ people you can meet . I know a couple of local vicars, rabbis and an imam. (beyond which, our current project is calling upon the services of advisors from all three of the major European faiths..) All of whom are as liberal as anyone I could wish to hang with. I also know that they're just individuals - and that there are plenty of others who wear the same cloth who are intolerant bigots on every area from culture and belief to sexuality. No matter what their views, though, and however closely (or otherwise) they may align with my own, I don't want them to have a say in how the country is governed or how I should live my life. Thankfully, I don't feel I need worry about any of these people holding any great influence over our secular society. Thanks. You pretty much confirmed the point I made . |
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Post by Steve on Aug 30, 2023 23:32:22 GMT
That so many no longer want to be in deference to a hypocritical self serving CofE hierarchy in no way means millions and millions in Britain don't have a value system that is essentially Christian.
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 31, 2023 8:01:09 GMT
That so many no longer want to be in deference to a hypocritical self serving CofE hierarchy in no way means millions and millions in Britain don't have a value system that is essentially Christian. Who's to say we would not have grown as a society without Christian values . Did our Pagan ancestors not have values ? I would say the did , held back by the enforcement of middle ages Christianity which was akin to modern day Islam . If you reject one then surely you have to reject the other . We are what we are with the values we all share not because of religion but in spite of it . |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 31, 2023 8:06:03 GMT
Lefties are scoring an own goal if they want to boot Christian clerics out of politics . CofE clerics are the most ‘ liberal style lefties “ people you can meet . I know a couple of local vicars, rabbis and an imam. (beyond which, our current project is calling upon the services of advisors from all three of the major European faiths..) All of whom are as liberal as anyone I could wish to hang with. I also know that they're just individuals - and that there are plenty of others who wear the same cloth who are intolerant bigots on every area from culture and belief to sexuality. No matter what their views, though, and however closely (or otherwise) they may align with my own, I don't want them to have a say in how the country is governed or how I should live my life. Thankfully, I don't feel I need worry about any of these people holding any great influence over our secular society. There is a lot of evidence historically that when religious leaders call for the killing or ostracising of those of other faiths then good neighbours become instruments of those leaders. Thinking it is otherwise is a rather simple view. Having said that there are also stories of neighbours rescuing those at risk however that places the rescuers in danger as well. Remember there are many willing to release names and addresses of those they disagree with even though they know there are some who may 'take the law into their own hands' and do those very people harm. Good people do bad things and belief is very often the driving factor. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 31, 2023 9:27:33 GMT
Although the constitution of the UK is based on Christianity with the King the head of the Church of England, I would agree with the OP that this country is not truly a Christian country. People who claim to be be Christians don't even know what it means. There are millions from other faiths in the country. It would be interesting to compare mosque visit numbers on Fridays with church visits on Sundays. Sad, though, as Christianity has been good for Britain, in general. Is it any wonder when the Church is run by the Woke Archbishop Welby.
He's encouraging the illegal boat people, and interfering in government policy to stop the boat people, while he sits in Lambeth PALACE, with that many rooms it would take a week to get round, while he's drinking and eating off the fat of the land, while he's encouraging migrants to pay people traffickers for them to end up in the UK homeless along with our own homeless and less well off .... he needs to stick to his own job, and stop promoting crime.
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 9:31:11 GMT
. . .while he sits in Lambeth PALACE, with that many rooms it would take a week to get round, drinking and eating the fat of the land, . . . And don't forget his chauffeur driven car while spouting about 'rich men and eyes of needles' he really doesn't believe in. Faiths usually good, religions so often anything but. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 31, 2023 9:33:27 GMT
. . .while he sits in Lambeth PALACE, with that many rooms it would take a week to get round, drinking and eating the fat of the land, . . . And don't forget his chauffeur driven car while spouting about 'rich men and eyes of needles' he really doesn't believe in. Faiths usually good, religions so often anything but. yeah and I bet he too is exempt from the ULEZ tax.... bloody hypocrites. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 31, 2023 20:42:13 GMT
As regards other religions taking the place of Christianity in terms of having power over the populace The Danish government is planning to reintroduce a blasphemy law so that the burning of Korans can be forbidden. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66602814Slowly but surely religion starts to hold sway over everyone not just the followers. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 20:45:47 GMT
Maybe they don't have a law like our conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace one.
Burning any artefact large numbers of people hold dear just to make them angry is a somewhat shitty thing to do.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Aug 31, 2023 20:47:12 GMT
There was an article in The Evangelical Times written by Welby. In it he claimed that he regularly speaks to God ... in tongues (whatever that means?) and that over the following days God answers him through the mouths of people he associates with.
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