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Post by oracle75 on Aug 27, 2023 10:51:02 GMT
They got rid of Gordon Brown as PM I thought the people did that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 11:54:06 GMT
The biggest divide in the Tory Party of several divides, is between the traditional Conservatives who advocate tax cuts and ways to bring down debt, and the more modern "populists" who are the ones more dedicated to Culture Wars, as opposed to any meaningfull policies.
The Red Wall seats were all gained through the "Populists", and under Mr Sunak there is little or no chance of retaining any of those seats, and people like Nadine Dorries know it.
Quite frankly I find it ludicrous that ordinary, hard working people of places such as Teesside should have turned to the Conservatives ( which probably had their fathers turning in their graves ).
At the next general election, traditional Labour seats will revert back to having Labour MPs, because people feel they can vote for someone who is going to restore workers rights, outlaw zero hours contracts and try to repair the damage done to our NHS.
Brexit is done, Corbyn has gone, Labour has got rid of most of the loons and as in 97, they are a government in waiting.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 27, 2023 11:56:21 GMT
The biggest divide in the Tory Party of several divides, is between the traditional Conservatives who advocate tax cuts and ways to bring down debt, and the more modern "populists" who are the ones more dedicated to Culture Wars, as opposed to any meaningfull policies. The Red Wall seats were all gained through the "Populists", and under Mr Sunak there is little or no chance of retaining any of those seats, and people like Nadine Dorries know it. Quite frankly I find it ludicrous that ordinary, hard working people of places such as Teesside should have turned to the Conservatives ( which probably had their fathers turning in their graves ). At the next general election, traditional Labour seats will revert back to having Labour MPs, because people feel they can vote for someone who is going to restore workers rights, outlaw zero hours contracts and try to repair the damage done to our NHS. Brexit is done, Corbyn has gone, Labour has got rid of most of the loons and as in 97, they are a government in waiting. Are you sure they have gotten rid of all the loons I am not convinced myself and think they would say anything to fool people. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2023 11:57:30 GMT
Labours surrender to woke would have their fathers turning in their graves.
The current Labour Party is as far from the Labour Party of the 60s and 70s as the Monster raving looney party was.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 27, 2023 13:18:53 GMT
Now we have found Nadine, is she right about Rishi? The classic zombie parliament was the situation faced under Theresa May, with Clegg’s Five Year Fixed Term Parliament bullshit stripping the Prime Minister of the ability to do what the Sovereign instructed them to do. I agree Fishi Rishi may be brain dead, but i’m not sure the circumstances apply |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 27, 2023 15:01:08 GMT
For the last 13 years the Tories have governed as a continuation of New Labour - so have they achieved anything?. Well that probably depends on what side of the fence you sit. Can you name anything in particular that they have actually achieved and which were not just good intentions? Not sure they are achievements but they enthusiastically continued the New Labour policies of massive QE, increasing the size of the state, increased public spending, mass immigration and headlong dash to Net Zero. As I said - whether you think those are achievements depends.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 27, 2023 15:03:14 GMT
Brexit is done, Corbyn has gone, Labour has got rid of most of the loons and as in 97, they are a government in waiting. Oh I don't know - Starmer is still there and he spent 5 years telling us that Corbyn would make a great Prime Minister...  |
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Post by om15 on Aug 27, 2023 15:06:01 GMT
The damage to the NHS stems from the leftie woke influences that have infected the organisation, the "diversity" managers that earn three times the salary of a nurse, the vast amount of managers that are failing to manage and the philosophy of putting the welfare of staff members before the patients.
The damage that the Tories are responsible for is not dismantling this nationalised mess ten years ago.
What do you imagine Labour will do, throw more money at it in the hope that it improves? I think we know what the answer to that might be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 15:15:34 GMT
The damage to the NHS stems from the leftie woke influences that have infected the organisation, the "diversity" managers that earn three times the salary of a nurse, the vast amount of managers that are failing to manage and the philosophy of putting the welfare of staff members before the patients. The damage that the Tories are responsible for is not dismantling this nationalised mess ten years ago. What do you imagine Labour will do, throw more money at it in the hope that it improves? I think we know what the answer to that might be. Rather than go into some long and drawn out answer, I will only say this ..... 1997 the NHS was in a bad state, but it improved hugely between 1997 and 2010. From 2010 things began to deteriorate, and the NHS went downhill. Waiting lists began growing long before COvid was ever heard of, after years ( pre 2010 ) of falling waiting lists You work it out for yourself |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 27, 2023 15:49:44 GMT
The damage to the NHS stems from the leftie woke influences that have infected the organisation, the "diversity" managers that earn three times the salary of a nurse, the vast amount of managers that are failing to manage and the philosophy of putting the welfare of staff members before the patients. The damage that the Tories are responsible for is not dismantling this nationalised mess ten years ago. What do you imagine Labour will do, throw more money at it in the hope that it improves? I think we know what the answer to that might be. Rather than go into some long and drawn out answer, I will only say this ..... 1997 the NHS was in a bad state, but it improved hugely between 1997 and 2010. From 2010 things began to deteriorate, and the NHS went downhill. Waiting lists began growing long before COvid was ever heard of, after years ( pre 2010 ) of falling waiting lists You work it out for yourself You sure you are not writing the Donalds comedy sketches? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 27, 2023 18:37:30 GMT
The real question is...
Has the last 4 governments since Brexit euphoria 7 years ago and two of which were not elected by the general population ( think about that for a moment) done anything to improve the quality of life in the UK?
More precisely, has Rishi done anything successfully except make promises and hide money?
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 27, 2023 19:49:55 GMT
Rather than go into some long and drawn out answer, I will only say this ..... 1997 the NHS was in a bad state, but it improved hugely between 1997 and 2010. From 2010 things began to deteriorate, and the NHS went downhill. Waiting lists began growing long before COvid was ever heard of, after years ( pre 2010 ) of falling waiting lists You work it out for yourself You sure you are not writing the Donalds comedy sketches? Just to be clear, are you disputing this? |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 27, 2023 20:10:31 GMT
You sure you are not writing the Donalds comedy sketches? Just to be clear, are you disputing this? Depends, if he means the long-term PFI investment improved things until all the repayments caused it become another bad government investment? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 27, 2023 20:38:07 GMT
Just to be clear, are you disputing this? Depends, if he means the long-term PFI investment improved things until all the repayments caused it become another bad government investment? So you weren't actually disputing it, just adding a one line distractor. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 27, 2023 20:56:05 GMT
Depends, if he means the long-term PFI investment improved things until all the repayments caused it become another bad government investment? So you weren't actually disputing it, just adding a one line distractor. Not really, I thought it had a level of comedy about it, where you take some truth and add a comedy line. |
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