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Post by me on Aug 30, 2023 22:15:05 GMT
Hi Vanna … A warm welcome back! … Provox and Sword were sadly ousted … but we hope they will be invited back. Baron and I are surprisingly still here … just clinging on desperately as excess ballast … preparing to be jettisoned any minute … after surviving several ‘suspensions’. … still doing our thing to broaden the palate for the open minded … As you can see Fringe Meetings was sadly labelled “Conspiracy Theory” … but some of us are lobbying for that to be reversed. …. We were successful finally getting the Mind Zone open to non-Members and Guests … guess that might change again if I have time to engage and throw some Fringe stuff in there! How is stability in SA right now … hope ur surviving ok?? I know from talking to a politically split Family that asking people to be “open minded” is a big ask …. they say “yes” in principle, quite willingly …. and pretend they are ….but rarely practice studying links dropped here and elsewhere … that might upset their ‘programming’. I'm enduring an internet maintenance week. |
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Post by bancroft on Aug 31, 2023 9:57:20 GMT
I see Africa’s current state rather differently. Many African States kicked out Europeans decades ago … for them to blame Europeans and whites after so many years for their current woes and Country mis-management is quite frankly a joke … They need to blame the religious tribes((tax dodging border breaking Globalist warmongers - the new slave owners of TODAY) for their current plight. Mostly Zionists own the top Blue Chip Multinationals that control nearly everything these days … they have eagerly defunded and asset-stripped Europeans since the EU was set up 50 years ago and Americans added to our misery and sent their Globalist managers in to pillage European businesses to shut so many down and remove competition. We are now being heavily colonised by a forced invasion of greedy Colonialist from the Third World …. we are not happy either! Europeans were pioneers that arguably helped modernise parts of Africa as they used resources to fuel industrial revolutions … they build bridges, roads, railways and shipping channels and Ports to facilitate trade and create jobs and trickle down wealth. Africans have to accept they didn’t have the ingenuity to take those steps alone … and won’t accept the responsibility for booting out the Colonialists that had the discipline and armed forces and police infra-structure that stopped much inter tribal fighting that was tearing many Countries apart … look at the genocide in Ruanda after Western controllers were booted out … the inadequate UN Forces stationed there had no chance to stop the massacres. When are Africans going to wake up and take responsibility for their inability to manage … we British have the same problem today … it’s what happens when your Media is owned by foreign tribal interests that like to manipulate slave cultures and divide Communities. Africans need to stop sucking up the Zionist/Globalist Media bullshit that Colonialism was the reason for all their present woes … and the decline of Africa had nothing to do with decades of mismanagement, political corruption and tribal in fighting. If it hadn’t been for the incredible generosity of White Europeans and their self-less charities helping Africans and other Third World Countries through decades of war-torn famines and droughts giving many ££€€$$$millions over decades … when they had no real obligation to do so … just kind-heartedness … many millions more would have died and there would have been fewer jobs and opportunities. BRICS may create new jobs and trickle down wealth … possibly new infra-structure improvements … personally any new bosses will be better than some of the old one’s coupled with African corruption, embezzlement, tribal instability. Independence arguably ruined the African dream … and resulted 30-40 years later in their best talent fleeing to Europe and America … which goes to show BLM moaners haven’t a clue just how tolerant and supportive these former Colonialists continue to be. - Recent Guardian racist narratives were just designed by the Soros Posse - defunding gullible whites with a poor grasp of history … to pay reparations already paid 1,000x over in charity handout to real Africans in Africa … not these BLM charlatan money-grabbing opportunists in the U.S.A. A kind of think a combination of Western govts in league with Multi-nats get involved in Africa to make sure 'thier guy' wins so that they can have access to cheap materials. Their guy and his entourage get rewarded well and get visas to get their families into the West. The losers are the Africans. I do believe they could build cars and other high-tech products given the resources and training yet the powers that be do not want this. I recall about a decade ago that when Paxman was on newsnight he revealed that the EU was no better, willing to give development loans as long as only used for extraction of minerals and making wire, no other products. Now Russia and China are making in-roads, will they be any better, not sure though expect they will get a bit more. This probably explains some of the coups though whether this improves anything on the ground is too early to say. |
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Post by Vanna on Aug 31, 2023 10:18:42 GMT
We already build cars here and have for yonks. The problem is that many engineers were got rid of because they were white and now everyone is being kicked around because they are white and because they are "too old" no matter what colour they are, or not female. It's a bit of a world wide problem but in one plant in particular this bull is causing havoc and things can only get worse. SA had a lot of factories and industrialisation before the ANC decided to steal all the tax payers' contributions, indulge in humungous shenaningans with tenders and practise racism on a global scale within industry and commerce. If they don't stop doing this SA will simply gurgle down the drain.
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Post by bancroft on Aug 31, 2023 14:09:13 GMT
This is interesting re Niger under France's influence exporting Tomatoes yet not allowed to export Tomato paste. That is this the clip about the rise of the Brics taking in another 5 countries and some of the reasons, Iraq gets a mention as countries starting to realise the US is the bad guy on the block and even the US electorate starting to realise sanctioning everyone is driving up prices at home. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBOAnDWe0I |
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Post by Vanna on Aug 31, 2023 14:21:25 GMT
There seems to be no stopping BRICS now, it seems.
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Post by Orac on Aug 31, 2023 14:30:04 GMT
This is interesting re Niger under France's influence exporting Tomatoes yet not allowed to export Tomato paste. That doesn't sound very fair to me. Perhaps it is part of a foreign 'aid' deal. "If you commercially hobble your population, we will fit a hot-tub to your mansion" |
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Post by bancroft on Aug 31, 2023 14:58:14 GMT
This is interesting re Niger under France's influence exporting Tomatoes yet not allowed to export Tomato paste. That doesn't sound very fair to me. Perhaps it is part of a foreign 'aid' deal. "If you commercially hobble your population, we will fit a hot-tub to your mansion"Of course the finer detail is not mentioned and I can recall a spat I think between India and China over some food or medicine containing a toxin that killed people. Though of course on the face of it, it looks bad and that the West is really trying to keep Africa close to the begging bowl or at least they will think that way. |
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Post by Vanna on Sept 1, 2023 6:32:40 GMT
Africa is being claimed to be the future "core" continent in the New Era of BRICS. Personally, I hope this happens for Africa's sake. It will encounter problems with its new backers, this is unavoidable, but it presents a fresh start and Africa has not even begun to rise. If I were an ethnic African, I would be keen to see a change from the horrors of what has gone before. We all had this. Our own ancestors had to survive Roman dominion and others had to survive various other dreadful times associated with the obscene take over attempts, genocidal lunacy and industrial rape that comes with human advances toward "civilization" and "progress".
So I do wish Africa well in this new era. I wish Europe and America a solid kick up the jacksie for what they are doing to destroy the west and I wish Britain the best of luck in having effected Brexit just in time.
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Post by Orac on Sept 1, 2023 9:23:01 GMT
That doesn't sound very fair to me. Perhaps it is part of a foreign 'aid' deal. "If you commercially hobble your population, we will fit a hot-tub to your mansion"Though of course on the face of it, it looks bad and that the West is really trying to keep Africa close to the begging bowl or at least they will think that way. There is certainly some evidence for this. This would all be 'behind closed doors', of course, because officially the West is doing what it can to help Africa and Africans get on their feet. Notice where the costs of all this pantomime fall - on the people of African the people of the west. It's all about keeping the wrong (incompetent) people in power in the west. It seems to me that the dysfunction in the west is now getting so bad (in western terms) that the whole game could fold in. This will mean either the western world starts falling apart or people in the west grock in time that they desperately need to replace their actual rulers and start a significant process of challenge. The Danish government is closing down nearly half its agricultural sector - the west has become an insane asylum with captive populations of confused people wondering what the hell is going on. |
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Post by Vanna on Sept 1, 2023 11:51:32 GMT
True. It's demoralising. But there are shoots coming up through the ashes and this is quite encouraging. People are fighting back. A few good heroes and more will join. It's Nature's way. Courage to challenge is going to be the big thing in the near future.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 1, 2023 17:13:55 GMT
Just found this Youtube about France's involvement in Africa about a dozen countries in Western Africa, France tied their currencies to the Franc and insisted on cheap exports of raw materials and sold them back expensive French manufactured products. This impacts about 200m. The countries have tried to break away at times with over 40 French military interventions since 1960. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-u1Pjce4LgI know we are involved in Nigeria re Shell perhaps another will surface on the UK. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 4, 2023 8:52:23 GMT
Thanks for those supportive anti-war posts on P.2 clarifying the Ukraine situation in a nutshell, Vanna … some of us have been calling out Western Leaders - NATO, CIA, EU and Zionist opportunists like Soros and his Posse …. for their actions interfering and pulling Ukraine apart for their own EXPANSIONIST interests since 2012.
(Let me add there are many Jewish commentators on Youtube and other platforms fighting CENSORSHIP and trying to get the TRUTH out there too … not just on the Ukraine issue.)
It’s important to differentiate exactly who are the individuals creating this Western ANARCHY.
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Post by Vanna on Sept 5, 2023 3:50:20 GMT
 Elon Musk is thinking of suing the Anti-Defamation League for defamation and trying to stop him buying Twitter at the time. America has spent 100 billion dollars on Ukraine aid. Probably more adding in other things. I wonder how much of this went into pockets that didn't belong to Ukrainian soldiers.
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Post by Orac on Sept 5, 2023 7:46:20 GMT
It's astonishing that ADL has managed to get away with what they are doing for so long. It is now clearly (mostly) a protection racket -
Nice business you have here, it would be a real pity if something went wrong. Did you know our simple payment plan protects you from all accusations of antisemitism?
Businesses pay the ADL for the same reason businesses pay up when the mafia visits their premises and starts talking about 'unfortunate and costly events' and value of 'insurance'. A legitimate business is specialised and experienced in providing a useful service to people, it has no idea how to protect itself from violent assaults or an accusation of being an antisemitic (say) plumber - while, on the other hand, the mafia or the ADL have not wasted their time trying to do something useful and have instead concentrated their efforts only on being effective and efficient parasites. BLM used the same shakedown technique - in that case it was a mixture of the veiled violent assault threat and the threat of being accused of racism.
If it's left unchecked , the most likely emergent defense would be the appearance 'vigilante' groups that use the same techniques but targeting the operators in these groups. This would all be a massive net drain on society with resources flopping back and forth between groups not producing anything. The key weakness is the gullibility of a section of the public who have been trained to tread carefully around various taboos and trust what they are told no matter how self evidently ludicrous (critical thinking deficit). Of course, part of the reason for treading carefully is that you might be next.
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Post by Vanna on Sept 5, 2023 9:23:30 GMT
Yes, those of us who are Norse Pagans have been angry for many years at the way in which the swastika is referred to as "an anti-Semitic symbol". It was an anti-Semitic symbol only to the Nazi Party. The swastika is a symbol of well being for a few pagan groups round the world and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO WITH ANTI-SEMITISM. Still these groups ply their trade of who is a "hater". I was amused to see Elon Musk telling the ADL to take a hike. It's nice to be rich enough to do that. J.K. Rowling has done the same with the gender identity mob.  |
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Elon Musk is thinking of suing the Anti-Defamation League for defamation and trying to stop him buying Twitter at the time. 