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Post by Pacifico on Aug 28, 2023 17:05:07 GMT
Russia's military is not that far off America's now, apparently, but you won't hear that on western media. They tell you the Russians are fighting with shovels. It's quite mad. But say anything and you will be silenced and abused. As you know. Sorry but that is total nonsense - Russia cannot beat Ukraine who are restricted by the amount of aid they get from the other western powers mainly the USA. What Ukraine has shown is that Russian military might has been massively overestimated for years - possibly since the fall of the Berlin Wall. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Aug 28, 2023 18:46:54 GMT
I see Africa’s current state rather differently.
Many African States kicked out Europeans decades ago … for them to blame Europeans and whites after so many years for their current woes and Country mis-management is quite frankly a joke … They need to blame the religious tribes((tax dodging border breaking Globalist warmongers - the new slave owners of TODAY) for their current plight.
Mostly Zionists own the top Blue Chip Multinationals that control nearly everything these days … they have eagerly defunded and asset-stripped Europeans since the EU was set up 50 years ago and Americans added to our misery and sent their Globalist managers in to pillage European businesses to shut so many down and remove competition. We are now being heavily colonised by a forced invasion of greedy Colonialist from the Third World …. we are not happy either!
Europeans were pioneers that arguably helped modernise parts of Africa as they used resources to fuel industrial revolutions … they build bridges, roads, railways and shipping channels and Ports to facilitate trade and create jobs and trickle down wealth.
Africans have to accept they didn’t have the ingenuity to take those steps alone … and won’t accept the responsibility for booting out the Colonialists that had the discipline and armed forces and police infra-structure that stopped much inter tribal fighting that was tearing many Countries apart … look at the genocide in Ruanda after Western controllers were booted out … the inadequate UN Forces stationed there had no chance to stop the massacres.
When are Africans going to wake up and take responsibility for their inability to manage … we British have the same problem today … it’s what happens when your Media is owned by foreign tribal interests that like to manipulate slave cultures and divide Communities.
Africans need to stop sucking up the Zionist/Globalist Media bullshit that Colonialism was the reason for all their present woes … and the decline of Africa had nothing to do with decades of mismanagement, political corruption and tribal in fighting.
If it hadn’t been for the incredible generosity of White Europeans and their self-less charities helping Africans and other Third World Countries through decades of war-torn famines and droughts giving many ££€€$$$millions over decades … when they had no real obligation to do so … just kind-heartedness … many millions more would have died and there would have been fewer jobs and opportunities.
BRICS may create new jobs and trickle down wealth … possibly new infra-structure improvements … personally any new bosses will be better than some of the old one’s coupled with African corruption, embezzlement, tribal instability.
Independence arguably ruined the African dream … and resulted 30-40 years later in their best talent fleeing to Europe and America … which goes to show BLM moaners haven’t a clue just how tolerant and supportive these former Colonialists continue to be.
- Recent Guardian racist narratives were just designed by the Soros Posse - defunding gullible whites with a poor grasp of history … to pay reparations already paid 1,000x over in charity handout to real Africans in Africa … not these BLM charlatan money-grabbing opportunists in the U.S.A.
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Post by Vanna on Aug 29, 2023 4:01:52 GMT
I agree with some of those points about who did what, but the thing is the formerly oppressed do not. It has been a narrative (mostly an anti-white one masquerading as a colonial one) that has got into a whole mindset about progress toward modern industrialised and commercial life. Everything today is blamed on white men and this is especially evident in the antics of mostly white neo liberal students and neo hippies who glue themselves to everything and believe they are saving the earth from carbon. I suspect that long march has arrived and the boil it has been building in the minds of the vulnerable has reached open expression point. The counter balance to this, however, is that a boil that has also been building among the ordinary citizenry is reaching bursting point and there are now brawls in the streets of the nations most affected by this bull.
The police have been roped in as the bad guys and although this is barely credible as an excuse or a reason it has nevertheless exploded into a hatred of law and order. It's a lot like the colonial blame story. So whilst the past is full of injustice across the world and across the ethnicities as everyone has at some point done something to terrible to someone else, all is presently focused on the destruction of the west, as such. And as the west has busily been undermining its own foundations in some mad passion to be saintly the opportunity to grasp that insecurity of purpose has manifested in all this craziness. One can place the "trans" fad into the mix as a contemporary obsession that has superseded the racism obsession that was being touted before. Now everyone who doesn't sing from that hymn sheet is a demonic entity and must be attacked.
Not a nice time to live in. But all things pass away and this time will too. Whether or not it will take down the west is a moot point. I don't know if our people are strong enough or even sober enough, to fight back without using the old tools and weapons of religion. I have little hope that the fight back will be secular. It appears to be increasingly faith based in its attempts to reinstate some code of ethics. Perhaps something might be better than nothing in this case, I don't know.
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Post by Vanna on Aug 29, 2023 5:35:49 GMT
Russia's military is not that far off America's now, apparently, but you won't hear that on western media. They tell you the Russians are fighting with shovels. It's quite mad. But say anything and you will be silenced and abused. As you know. Sorry but that is total nonsense - Russia cannot beat Ukraine who are restricted by the amount of aid they get from the other western powers mainly the USA. What Ukraine has shown is that Russian military might has been massively overestimated for years - possibly since the fall of the Berlin Wall. What is total nonsense is the war. It must be stopped and you don't stop it by sending arms in under the counter and pretending you aren't part of it. If you arm Ukraine you are part of it. The Ukrainians are being fed into battle like mincemeat through a grinder because no one really cares about the true costs of conflict. You are not allowed to see any Russian or Donetsk footage. You are censored so you get only specially selected news about the Ukraine. You don't know what the Russians in the Donetsk are suffering or have suffered. The poverty, the courage, the belief in having traditional values and culture - all swept under the great carpet of lies spread by the western media machines. Frankly, I am repelled by this. I refuse to dance to their tune. They are a disgrace. In truth, everyone is so busy parping and tooting on their little silver trumpets about what a shit Putin is and how evil Russia is that they have failed to see the reality of this conflict or have any interest in what their half hearted participation might create. As usual, everyone is being asked for donations to the western hero side and the other side, the one that has looked death in the face without flinching, unknown and uncared for, has been conveniently forgotten. All lives matter. If the west could bring itself to acknowledge this, maybe something could be done that doesn't involve death and destruction or hate mongering for political purpose. There are people out there who are speaking out. They are being shouted down and castigated, but they are there and they are voicing their disgust at what is an ongoing bloodbath. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 29, 2023 6:29:33 GMT
The war could end tomorrow - all it takes is for Russia to go home.
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Post by Vanna on Aug 29, 2023 6:39:52 GMT
I would suspect that the reason this hasn't happened is that there are no assurances for the Russians of the Donbas region if that happens. Zelensky needs to get involved in a negotiated settlement regarding this region and NATO needs to reign in its all encircling arms. That won't happen either. The Russians of the Donbas want a regime change in Kiev as they believe nothing will prevent the conflict unless Zelensky goes. I agree with this.
So far here have been encouraging noises from a few in the west but these remain squeaks in an auditorium as far as any end to the war is concerned.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 29, 2023 6:46:35 GMT
The internal political problems of Ukraine are not a valid reason for Russia to invade.
We keep coming back to the basic fact that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and is free to make its own decisions without interference from foreign powers.
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Post by Vanna on Aug 29, 2023 7:32:50 GMT
Which is why foreign powers should not have become involved when the dung hit the fan. But they did. Now it's a large mess, getting messier. Russia wasn't going to stand by while the Ukrainians took out their supremacy ethic on the Donbas citizenry. Neo nazi factions allowed in the Ukrainian army didn't sit well with Russians who has lost family members to the Nazis. Nato sniffing round for somewhere to plant its own nukes and other nefarious activities didn't sit well with Russia. It all built up to the invasion. Now someone has to put an end to it and I don't think that will be possible with Zelensky in Kiev. He is making noises about turning the Ukraine into a big Israel again and wants America and NATO to defend it the way they do Israel. As the Israeli/Palestinian issue has not been solved over many years, I don't think expanding it to central Europe is a good idea. Zelensky needs to go. He is busily wiping Russian culture, history and language off the Ukrainian map and has caused a schism in the Orthodox Church. All bad. All designed to foster more feuding.
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Post by bancroft on Aug 29, 2023 12:53:34 GMT
Which is why foreign powers should not have become involved when the dung hit the fan. But they did. Now it's a large mess, getting messier. Russia wasn't going to stand by while the Ukrainians took out their supremacy ethic on the Donbas citizenry. Neo nazi factions allowed in the Ukrainian army didn't sit well with Russians who has lost family members to the Nazis. Nato sniffing round for somewhere to plant its own nukes and other nefarious activities didn't sit well with Russia. It all built up to the invasion. Now someone has to put an end to it and I don't think that will be possible with Zelensky in Kiev. He is making noises about turning the Ukraine into a big Israel again and wants America and NATO to defend it the way they do Israel. As the Israeli/Palestinian issue has not been solved over many years, I don't think expanding it to central Europe is a good idea. Zelensky needs to go. He is busily wiping Russian culture, history and language off the Ukrainian map and has caused a schism in the Orthodox Church. All bad. All designed to foster more feuding. I think the developing issue over Niger is exposing some of the European ongoing involvement in Africa. Is this Neo-Colonialism? The leaders of the Coup claim the government was a puppet for French interests involving Uranium extraction. The current coup leaders favour Russia like some neighbouring countries. Is anyone now doubting the Cold War does not exist, for me it is on it just does not get discussed. We don't hear much about S.A now and they must be involved in the discussions concerning the BRICs development bank........... |
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Post by bancroft on Aug 29, 2023 17:38:10 GMT
Found this on YouTube, American war and peace new report, includes Saudi Arabia killing asylum seekers from Ethiopia, Biden not available for comment, France finally talks about Niger, just a few minutes long. www.youtube.com/watch?v=z70ZFYiRUUs |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 30, 2023 6:39:31 GMT
Moderation Notice
I have deleted several posts as on reflection they do not conform with the specific extra rules regarding Mind Zone.
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Post by thomas on Aug 30, 2023 6:41:58 GMT
The internal political problems of Ukraine are not a valid reason for Russia to invade. We keep coming back to the basic fact that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and is free to make its own decisions without interference from foreign powers. ok fair enough ive only just seen your moderators post. Feel free to delete my last entry.
I stand by my comment on the ridiculousness of your final sentence in light of northern ireland though.
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Post by Vanna on Aug 30, 2023 6:58:26 GMT
Which is why foreign powers should not have become involved when the dung hit the fan. But they did. Now it's a large mess, getting messier. Russia wasn't going to stand by while the Ukrainians took out their supremacy ethic on the Donbas citizenry. Neo nazi factions allowed in the Ukrainian army didn't sit well with Russians who has lost family members to the Nazis. Nato sniffing round for somewhere to plant its own nukes and other nefarious activities didn't sit well with Russia. It all built up to the invasion. Now someone has to put an end to it and I don't think that will be possible with Zelensky in Kiev. He is making noises about turning the Ukraine into a big Israel again and wants America and NATO to defend it the way they do Israel. As the Israeli/Palestinian issue has not been solved over many years, I don't think expanding it to central Europe is a good idea. Zelensky needs to go. He is busily wiping Russian culture, history and language off the Ukrainian map and has caused a schism in the Orthodox Church. All bad. All designed to foster more feuding. I think the developing issue over Niger is exposing some of the European ongoing involvement in Africa. Is this Neo-Colonialism? The leaders of the Coup claim the government was a puppet for French interests involving Uranium extraction. The current coup leaders favour Russia like some neighbouring countries. Is anyone now doubting the Cold War does not exist, for me it is on it just does not get discussed. We don't hear much about S.A now and they must be involved in the discussions concerning the BRICs development bank........... It's a difficult one to make any statements on because these things are almost always tied to what a particular nation needs to get something done. Trade issues, development, resources management, etc. All get others involved. I don't think one can get away from this. What tends to happen is that certain investors, or military aid providers, etc, are preferred. In Africa right now, those are from Russia or China. Not sure if the mega surging India is a player yet. But as SA is a BRICS member I suspect EU, Britain and America might not be the preferred choices. I am not political as a person nor am I involved in anything political and so I can't make informed or even emotional opinion based statements on any of this. I am not represented by government regarding the ANC and am more like a sort of ghost floating about. What my British ancestors built, made, created and maintained here is now a thing of the past. First it was overtaken by the apartheid regime and now it has been overtaken by the ANC. Ghosts everywhere in all former colonial nations. Crumbling buildings, silted up dams, failing electricity grids, abandoned mining, abandoned manufacturing, crumbing roads, broken everything, rampant crime and corruption, gangsterism and widespread poverty. It would all have to be rebuilt in order for change to happen. It's npow a question of who will be chosen to do this from outside of SA. And, I presume, outside of other places, like Niger or Ukraine. The Donbas region will be rebuilt by Russia if a negotiation can be made to make it officially part of Russia. That is possibly the way things should go if everyone would like to stop all this killing and utterly horrific destruction that is an ongoing aspect of a gear shift. (I think gear shifting is going to part of the 21st century.) There is much to discuss on these subjects on an open mind forum. I hope it might prosper. As long as people don't troll or abuse one another, it could be a very positive space. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 30, 2023 7:04:48 GMT
I am not political as a person nor am I involved in anything political and so I can't make informed or even emotional opinion based statements on any of this. I am not represented by government regarding the ANC and am more like a sort of ghost floating about. What my British ancestors built, made, created and maintained here is now a thing of the past. First it was overtaken by the apartheid regime and now it has been overtaken by the ANC. Ghosts everywhere in all former colonial nations. Crumbling buildings, silted up dams, failing electricity grids, abandoned mining, abandoned manufacturing, crumbing roads, broken everything, rampant crime and corruption, gangsterism and widespread poverty. It would all have to be rebuilt in order for change to happen. It's npow a question of who will be chosen to do this from outside of SA. And, I presume, outside of other places, like Niger or Ukraine. The Donbas region will be rebuilt by Russia if a negotiation can be made to make it officially part of Russia. Why does it need to be someone from outside?. You are making it sound as though SA needs a return to Colonialism where a foreign power comes in and builds the infrastructure because the locals cannot be trusted to manage themselves. Basic infrastructure (roads, railways, power generation, water and sewage etc) is all pretty simple and any independent country should have the means to build and look after their own. Same with the standards in public life, corruption and crime - it shouldn't need foreigners to come in and impose a fix, if it does is that country really viable as an independent state? |
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Post by Vanna on Aug 30, 2023 8:13:15 GMT
I'm afraid SA is bankrupt. It has been hollowed out from corruption. It needs investment. It needs expertise and training schools as most of that faction has been chased out, either by racial job quota discrimination, gender discrimination or plain brain drain. Young people are fleeing because there are no jobs for them. So, yes, that kind of country needs help. Of course, there is the danger of selling bits of yourself to a perilous external investor but places like China and the Arab countries tend to try to control this by not allowing a free for all grab and controlling land ownership and business enterprise by foreigners.
To have a truly free country has turned out to be a bit of a problem. As Britain is discovering with the unnatural number of young men landing daily on its shores. I have heard that young women in the countries concerned are finding it hard to find husbands and have resorted to polygamous marriages to older men in order to survive. I have no link as this was told to me by the person who read it on a news site. I can well understand it's a problem. Goes together with the shortage of medical staff that happens when rich countries take in these folk from elsewhere and thus deprive the countries concerned of local expertise.
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