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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2023 7:23:12 GMT
I say again: Sunak ' claims' to be a right wing Brexit supporting prime minister because he knows it's popular with the majority of the electorate, but this claim is not backed up by his actions. Well at least you admit the right wing are not the majority of the people. That you think the Tories should represent a minority is fine with me as it means they'll never get back in power. There is no party in the UK that represents a majority of the people. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 7:25:47 GMT
Yep, as I say the Bastard is supporting the majority. That's the last thing we want from our government, that they do the will of the people.  I say again: Sunak ' claims' to be a right wing Brexit supporting prime minister because he knows it's popular with the majority of the electorate, but this claim is not backed up by his actions. Its not popular. It WAS popular. Now its not by any ones standard 60% want to re-join the EU. 60% where's your listen to the people now Red, your democracy? |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 26, 2023 7:26:07 GMT
Yet you are always telling us he doesn't have a hope in hell of winning an election. So he must be putting in place everything Labour desire. Yep. The Tory party have made a shite job of running the country, so they'll never get elected. Sunak too little too late. Pacifico beat me to it, Labour would never win an election with 52% of the voters. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 7:26:58 GMT
Well at least you admit the right wing are not the majority of the people. That you think the Tories should represent a minority is fine with me as it means they'll never get back in power. There is no party in the UK that represents a majority of the people. There is a party that represent enough of the peoples views to get elected by a large majority. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 26, 2023 7:27:06 GMT
I say again: Sunak ' claims' to be a right wing Brexit supporting prime minister because he knows it's popular with the majority of the electorate, but this claim is not backed up by his actions. Its not popular. It WAS popular. Now its not by any ones standard 60% want to re-join the EU. 60% where's your listen to the people now Red, your democracy? You have nothing to back that up but pure speculation. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 7:27:38 GMT
Yep. The Tory party have made a shite job of running the country, so they'll never get elected. Sunak too little too late. Pacifico beat me to it, Labour would never win an election with 52% of the voters. 52%? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2023 7:28:30 GMT
There is no party in the UK that represents a majority of the people. There is a party that represent enough of the peoples views to get elected by a large majority. Yes - but that party was led by Boris Johnson. I don't think there are any politicians of his calibre and appeal still around. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 26, 2023 7:33:34 GMT
Pacifico beat me to it, Labour would never win an election with 52% of the voters. 52%? That's a majority |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 26, 2023 7:37:56 GMT
Oh ffs, you sound like Sunak. ZG, rather than focusing on the tiny percentage the French have briefly stopped. Lets look at the numbers the French have allowed to put to sea then escorted them to UK waters. So far this year (Jan to 24 Aug) the French have allowed 20,000 illegals to cross the channel and according to Home Office figs 105,000 have crossed since 2018. Who knows what the actual figure might be. The hotel bill alone is costing the British tax payer more than £7 million a day and is changing the UK forever. Macron and the EU are laughing at Sunak, if only he could see it. Oh ffs Red, learn some basic maths will you. Its not a tiny percentage its 45% (nearly half) And that's in one year. They do that every year. That and your use of the word "allowed" rather than "couldn't stop" Like doctors "allowed" a million people to die, rather than "couldn't stop" a million people dying. LOL, 'basic maths' indeed. If the Home Office say 105,000 illegals have crossed the channel since 2018, then you can bet the number is significantly higher. And the French are not 'stopping' them crossing the channel, they are delaying a tiny fraction of them. Illegals who the French stop putting to sea face no sanction, they are let go to try again the next day. The reality is the French are not stopping anyone crossing the channel. But when you look at the anti immigrant measures put in place on the EU eastern border, 20ft high razor wire fences patrolled by armed guards and dogs, and the immigrant detention centres in the EU state of Greece, it's clear the EU have very strict anti immigration policies. That is, unless they are fleeing the EU to claim asylum or refugee status in England. It's a fuckin joke, and the EU are laughing at Sunak. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 8:13:25 GMT
There is a party that represent enough of the peoples views to get elected by a large majority. Yes - but that party was led by Boris Johnson. I don't think there are any politicians of his calibre and appeal still around. Well yes, many of us thought he was the man for the job. Turned out he was just a good liar. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 26, 2023 8:19:51 GMT
Yes - but that party was led by Boris Johnson. I don't think there are any politicians of his calibre and appeal still around. Well yes, many of us thought he was the man for the job. Turned out he was just a good liar. Imagine how crazy things would get if politics actually had a solid direction and was led by principled politicians. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 26, 2023 8:51:32 GMT
why not? - do you normally dive into signing contracts where you dont know the terms of those contracts? We did with the Brexit vote. We voted on whether to leave without negotiating what leaving would mean. Using the same standard, we can't legitimately join the EU unless all of what it means can be precisely outlined in advance. The trouble is you a have so many skewed, lopsided standards that realistically amount to forcing what you want on everyone else, it's hard to know where to start. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 26, 2023 8:58:43 GMT
Yes - but that party was led by Boris Johnson. I don't think there are any politicians of his calibre and appeal still around. Well yes, many of us thought he was the man for the job. Turned out he was just a good liar. ... or like the rest of us he didn't realise what he was up against, the Remoaners have turned in to a powerful splinter group of cross party traitors, they are hell bent on sabotaging Brexit, you'd think by now they would just accept it and move on.
We've got Blair in the background forming his new 'rejoin the EU' brigade, and if Starmer/Labour win the next GE he's got a even bigger platform to promote his ideological claptrap, the fact that Sunak replaced Johnson and Truss tells you the Remoaners are working hard behind the scene's.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 9:34:32 GMT
Well yes, many of us thought he was the man for the job. Turned out he was just a good liar. Imagine how crazy things would get if politics actually had a solid direction and was led by principled politicians. Ooh you making me dizzy |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 9:36:25 GMT
We did with the Brexit vote. We voted on whether to leave without negotiating what leaving would mean. Using the same standard, we can't legitimately join the EU unless all of what it means can be precisely outlined in advance. The trouble is you a have so many skewed, lopsided standards that realistically amount to forcing what you want on everyone else, it's hard to know where to start. Yes that's what I've always argued. Of course your absurdium will make discussing it impossible, so I wont bother. |
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