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Post by dappy on Aug 25, 2023 0:57:02 GMT
No one elected the Conservative Party Members…..
I agree - highly unlikely to win back the trust of the electorate after the disastrous reigns of Johnson and Truss. To do so he would have had to make a decisive break from them and their cohorts but he was simply too weak to do so.
Interesting to see who wins the impending power struggle between traditional one nationers and the “populists”. Does look very hard for the losers to stay in the party. Hard too to think of many credible candidates to lead it which ever way it goes.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 25, 2023 1:31:07 GMT
No one elected the Conservative Party Members….. I agree - highly unlikely to win back the trust of the electorate after the disastrous reigns of Johnson and Truss. To do so he would have had to make a decisive break from them and their cohorts but he was simply too weak to do so. Interesting to see who wins the impending power struggle between traditional one nationers and the “populists”. Does look very hard for the losers to stay in the party. Hard too to think of many credible candidates to lead it which ever way it goes. Of course no one elects Conservative party members, the same as no one elects Labour party members, pillock. If Tory backbenchers could wind the clock back, yes I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if they could, they would put Boris back in number 10 and I don't say that as a Boris fan, he was just as pro illegals as Sunak is. Truss however, she upset the apple cart. Sunak supporting back benchers never in a million years expected her to win, which is why she was doomed from the start. It's easy to laugh at her policies, but as the weeks and months went on, economists started to say things like, well actually if she had been given a bit of time... I honestly believe that Truss would have been a better PM than Sunak or Boris. |
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 25, 2023 5:11:10 GMT
Though I would agree that we should be doing all we can to stop the boats ,That Sunak needs replacing the fella Tice is proving to be a bit of a twat . The right wing alternative to the mainstream parties deserves better
The acts he quotes as the ammunition we should be using to turn the boats back to France don't actually say anything about Asylum seekers . I hope someone can point me to the text he is on about (maybe I missed it) because I can't see anything in either that would back him up .
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Post by dappy on Aug 25, 2023 6:43:26 GMT
No one elected the Conservative Party Members….. I agree - highly unlikely to win back the trust of the electorate after the disastrous reigns of Johnson and Truss. To do so he would have had to make a decisive break from them and their cohorts but he was simply too weak to do so. Interesting to see who wins the impending power struggle between traditional one nationers and the “populists”. Does look very hard for the losers to stay in the party. Hard too to think of many credible candidates to lead it which ever way it goes. Of course no one elects Conservative party members, the same as no one elects Labour party members, pillock. If Tory backbenchers could wind the clock back, yes I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if they could, they would put Boris back in number 10 and I don't say that as a Boris fan, he was just as pro illegals as Sunak is. Truss however, she upset the apple cart. Sunak supporting back benchers never in a million years expected her to win, which is why she was doomed from the start. It's easy to laugh at her policies, but as the weeks and months went on, economists started to say things like, well actually if she had been given a bit of time... I honestly believe that Truss would have been a better PM than Sunak or Boris. But you were presenting Sunak over Truss as some democratic outrage. At least Tory MPs were elected by the electorate. Tory members were elected by nobody yet inflicted the worst Post War Prime Minister on us all. Tory poll ratings fell off a cliff as she trashed the economy and Sunak has yet to regain the trust of the electorate destroyed by Johnson lies and Truss incompetence. As for the bulk of Tory backbenchers wanting Johnson back or credible economists saying she was right - pure GB News fantasy . For the sake of your own sanity, you really do need to stop allowing them to control your thought so readily. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 25, 2023 6:47:16 GMT
'she trashed the economy' - LOL, get a grip of yourself..  |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 25, 2023 6:50:35 GMT
'she trashed the economy' - LOL, get a grip of yourself.. It made me laugh, she trashed something she had absolutely no control over. Or was ever likely to have any control over. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 25, 2023 7:02:36 GMT
Blimey is this the line the populists have settled on to explain away the disaster of Truss economic failure. Simply deny reality and pretend it didn’t happen.
As I said the Tory post election bloodletting will be fascinating to watch. Will the UKIPpers take full control and surely Corbyn style render their party unelectable in a rush to ideological purity over electability. Labour will inevitability find it difficult to cope with the sheer scale of problems left behind by a decade of Tory incompetence. They won’t believe their luck if the Tory party abandons the fight by offering Truss Mk 2.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 25, 2023 7:04:54 GMT
Blimey is this the line the populists have settled on to explain away the disaster of Truss economic failure. Simply deny reality and pretend it didn’t happen. As I said the Tory post election bloodletting will be fascinating to watch. Will the UKIPpers take full control and surely Corbyn style render their party unelectable in a rush to ideological purity over electability. Labour will inevitability find it difficult to cope with the sheer scale of problems left behind by a decade of Tory incompetence. They won’t believe their luck if the Tory party abandons the fight by offering Truss Mk 2. No it is a fact, politicians have no control over the economy, only in the sense they repeat what they are told by those who do. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 25, 2023 7:14:09 GMT
Of course no one elects Conservative party members, the same as no one elects Labour party members, pillock. If Tory backbenchers could wind the clock back, yes I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if they could, they would put Boris back in number 10 and I don't say that as a Boris fan, he was just as pro illegals as Sunak is. Truss however, she upset the apple cart. Sunak supporting back benchers never in a million years expected her to win, which is why she was doomed from the start. It's easy to laugh at her policies, but as the weeks and months went on, economists started to say things like, well actually if she had been given a bit of time... I honestly believe that Truss would have been a better PM than Sunak or Boris. But you were presenting Sunak over Truss as some democratic outrage. At least Tory MPs were elected by the electorate. Tory members were elected by nobody yet inflicted the worst Post War Prime Minister on us all. Tory poll ratings fell off a cliff as she trashed the economy and Sunak has yet to regain the trust of the electorate destroyed by Johnson lies and Truss incompetence. As for the bulk of Tory backbenchers wanting Johnson back or credible economists saying she was right - pure GB News fantasy . For the sake of your own sanity, you really do need to stop allowing them to control your thought so readily. It wasn't Truss who trashed Sterling - it was Sunak. It's true that the Truss/Kwarteng budget was tone deaf (mainly because of the scrapping of the top rate of tax) but the actual cost of the giveaways was quite small - and it was at least a pro-growth budget. And, if you remember, it was in fact quite well received initially. But Sunak saw his opportunity to attack Truss and said that the giveaways would crash the bond market, lead to 6% interest rates and trash Sterling. That was an "exocet" because Sunak is quite well regarded in the City and "confidence" is a very important thing. Traders rapidly began selling Sterling forcing up interest rates and forcing the BoE to step in and buy bonds. Sunak must have known this would happen - it was obvious. But if you look at the mess we're now in we have interest rates of virtually 6% and the bond market hasn't recovered. Yet we have done nothing to open up our economy or encourage growth - and we have a Corporation Tax rate of 25% (to keep the EU happy). Well done Sunak. He knifed Boris in the back and he destroyed Truss. And for what? He has no vision of what to do at all. He just craved position and power. So we're now just drifting rudderless with no idea of what to do about any of our problems. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 25, 2023 7:45:32 GMT
No one elected the Conservative Party Members….. I agree - highly unlikely to win back the trust of the electorate after the disastrous reigns of Johnson and Truss. To do so he would have had to make a decisive break from them and their cohorts but he was simply too weak to do so. Interesting to see who wins the impending power struggle between traditional one nationers and the “populists”. Does look very hard for the losers to stay in the party. Hard too to think of many credible candidates to lead it which ever way it goes. Of course no one elects Conservative party members, the same as no one elects Labour party members, pillock. If Tory backbenchers could wind the clock back, yes I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if they could, they would put Boris back in number 10 and I don't say that as a Boris fan, he was just as pro illegals as Sunak is. Truss however, she upset the apple cart. Sunak supporting back benchers never in a million years expected her to win, which is why she was doomed from the start. It's easy to laugh at her policies, but as the weeks and months went on, economists started to say things like, well actually if she had been given a bit of time... I honestly believe that Truss would have been a better PM than Sunak or Boris. More or less my position. She had the quality that was needed at the time - ie she is actually a conservative and prepared to implement some conservative economic policies to reign in the galloping nonsense. She is pretty low on 'people person' qualities, but that probably wasn't what the country really needed at the time. She may have won people over with time. We now have a Blair impersonator as prime minister and it is going as expected and this guy has nothing to offer - he is like Blair and doesn't really believe in anything but the power of public relations |
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Post by Steve on Aug 25, 2023 10:26:21 GMT
Sunak is the prime minister the parliamentary conservative party wanted, he is not the prime minister the Conservative party members wanted . . Correct The Tory party members wanted low taxes plus a top notch NHS, state pensions and state education etc and of course ever increasing house prices from low interest rates. Frankly most of them should be tested for drugs for believing such cake and eat delusions are ever credible. The MPs knew a lot better, more importantly so do the voters. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 10:27:19 GMT
Blimey is this the line the populists have settled on to explain away the disaster of Truss economic failure. Simply deny reality and pretend it didn’t happen. As I said the Tory post election bloodletting will be fascinating to watch. Will the UKIPpers take full control and surely Corbyn style render their party unelectable in a rush to ideological purity over electability. Labour will inevitability find it difficult to cope with the sheer scale of problems left behind by a decade of Tory incompetence. They won’t believe their luck if the Tory party abandons the fight by offering Truss Mk 2. You have become the unofficial spokesperson for the blob. Congratulations. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 25, 2023 11:09:56 GMT
Blimey is this the line the populists have settled on to explain away the disaster of Truss economic failure. Simply deny reality and pretend it didn’t happen. So exactly what was this disaster? |
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Post by Steve on Aug 25, 2023 11:22:28 GMT
Blimey is this the line the populists have settled on to explain away the disaster of Truss economic failure. Simply deny reality and pretend it didn’t happen. So exactly what was this disaster? Surely it relates to the much repeated claim she cost the country £30B (some say £40B) IMHO we got rid of that utterly dumb narcissist quick enough so it was nothing like that. And FullFact appear to agree fullfact.org/news/pmqs-snp-uk-economy-truss/ |
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Post by om15 on Aug 25, 2023 11:23:10 GMT
Not an inspiring leader, his Sunday Sermon is cringingly dreadful and he simply just does not come over as a heavyweight potential politician.
Both Starmer and Sunak share the same traits of untrustworthiness, deceitfulness and neither would put forward the best interests of the citizens of the UK before their own personal objectives. The only person that I can see quietly talking some sense in the background is Lord Frost among the Tories.
If Nigel does decide to return to the fray and take over as leader of the Reform UK Party then we might just see a seismic shift in UK politics, but if he doesn't it will be a drab coalition with Starmer in by a whisker because the Jocks will have booted out the SNP and gone for Labour, a decision which won't make anyone happy, least of all the Jocks.
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