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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 23, 2023 18:54:14 GMT
Because the change would mean a Labour Government, or even worse a Labour/Lib Dem/SNP coalition, and our experiences have shown us that Labour Governments permit rapid expansion of the State, a bloated and inefficient public service, a highly taxed industry and citizens, profligate waste of public money, and with the additional benefits of woke and the cancel culture they will be able to run riot. They have made their policy of open door immigration, all welcome and no questions asked and everyone will be made to feel guilty if they don't much like transvestites. That is why it is a bad thing. Isn't the choice of big or small government a personal choice rather than right or wrong? And if something goes too far the public tend to notice and start to swing the other way? So after 13 years of the current government, we have insufficient police, insufficient fire, insufficient road maintenance, insufficient NHS staff, insufficient passport staff, insufficient immigration staff, insufficient teachers, the list goes on. Whilst you personally may have a desire to cut further, that might not be representative of current opinion. Like I said, not right or wrong, but time to think again. The rest of your post is just filled with clichés to be honest, do not much debate to be had there. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 19:29:19 GMT
Sunak has just backed down on ULEZ as well. He really isn't any sort of leader, which is why the shadowy blob slipped him in as PM. The Tories are finished unfortunately. Why unfortunately? We've had 13 years of this government, it's quite clear we need a change, why is that a bad thing? Because the alternative is almost certainly worser. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 23, 2023 19:38:10 GMT
Why unfortunately? We've had 13 years of this government, it's quite clear we need a change, why is that a bad thing? Because the alternative is almost certainly worser. Indeed. The fact that the present government is useless doesn’t mean a Labour government would be better. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 23, 2023 20:31:24 GMT
Because the change would mean a Labour Government, or even worse a Labour/Lib Dem/SNP coalition, and our experiences have shown us that Labour Governments permit rapid expansion of the State, a bloated and inefficient public service, a highly taxed industry and citizens, profligate waste of public money, and with the additional benefits of woke and the cancel culture they will be able to run riot. They have made their policy of open door immigration, all welcome and no questions asked and everyone will be made to feel guilty if they don't much like transvestites. That is why it is a bad thing. Indeed. Misgendering trans people could become a HATE CRIME under Labour according to new report warning of 'serious implications' for free speechwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12436597/Misgendering-trans-people-HATE-CRIME-Labour-according-new-report-warning-implications-free-speech.html |
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Post by see2 on Aug 23, 2023 20:34:30 GMT
Because the alternative is almost certainly worser. Indeed. The fact that the present government is useless doesn’t mean a Labour government would be better. Or worse. But it does mean that if the present government "is useless" its time to give a different, moderate government, the opportunity to prove its worth, especially as there is no reason to believe they could not or would not be an improvement. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 23, 2023 20:38:02 GMT
Because the change would mean a Labour Government, or even worse a Labour/Lib Dem/SNP coalition, and our experiences have shown us that Labour Governments permit rapid expansion of the State, a bloated and inefficient public service, a highly taxed industry and citizens, profligate waste of public money, and with the additional benefits of woke and the cancel culture they will be able to run riot. They have made their policy of open door immigration, all welcome and no questions asked and everyone will be made to feel guilty if they don't much like transvestites. That is why it is a bad thing. Indeed. Misgendering trans people could become a HATE CRIME under Labour according to new report warning of 'serious implications' for free speechwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12436597/Misgendering-trans-people-HATE-CRIME-Labour-according-new-report-warning-implications-free-speech.htmlTalk about scare practices. IMO the Mail should come with a warning, 'reading this paper may damage your mental health'. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2023 20:48:48 GMT
Because the alternative is almost certainly worser. Indeed. The fact that the present government is useless doesn’t mean a Labour government would be better. Sadly so very true |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 23, 2023 20:54:31 GMT
Sunak has turned out to be a shithouse, anyone leading this country who is a hardened Europhile is a waste of space, they will ponder to every whim of the remoaners, that's why Brexit is not making anywhere near the progress it should be making..... what a waste of a golden opportunity. The bastard's playing to the majority. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 21:08:59 GMT
Sunak has turned out to be a shithouse, anyone leading this country who is a hardened Europhile is a waste of space, they will ponder to every whim of the remoaners, that's why Brexit is not making anywhere near the progress it should be making..... what a waste of a golden opportunity. The bastard's playing to the majority. It's what Blair did in 1997 and it turned out very well for New Labour. Can't see the country turning to Rishi in quite the same way. Blair was not a coward, but he was a liar, as we all know. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 23, 2023 21:17:14 GMT
Indeed. The fact that the present government is useless doesn’t mean a Labour government would be better. Or worse. But it does mean that if the present government "is useless" its time to give a different, moderate government, the opportunity to prove its worth, especially as there is no reason to believe they could not or would not be an improvement. Let me know when we get one see2. I’d gladly join you in booting this lot out if I thought for one minute that the other lot might be better . You and I are both old enough to remember when politicians had at least a veneer of competence and honesty |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 23, 2023 21:29:35 GMT
Sunak has turned out to be a shithouse, anyone leading this country who is a hardened Europhile is a waste of space, they will ponder to every whim of the remoaners, that's why Brexit is not making anywhere near the progress it should be making..... what a waste of a golden opportunity. The bastard's playing to the majority. . I suspect that Sunak will be playing Santa in 2024. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 24, 2023 6:04:13 GMT
Talk about scare practices. IMO the Mail should come with a warning, 'reading this paper may damage your mental health'. Add that to misgendering people as a hate crime I suppose. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 24, 2023 7:12:51 GMT
Sunak campaigned to leave the EU in 2016. Not according to Farage. Farage said he hadn't seen Sunak doing ANY campaigning for Brexit. Sunak is just about the biggest liar in the Commons. You can't believe a word he says - you have to judge him by his actions. He said that all the EU laws/regulations would be got rid of in the first 100 days - but NONE of them have gone at all. In fact he seems to be moving closer to the EU - with stuff like the "Windsor Frame-up". Sunak just wants to ingratiate himself with the EU. He wants to become some kind of international statesman and that involves not ruffling any feathers. So he will never face down the EU - or anyone else. He's also kowtowing to Narendra Modi. Modi wants to make the UK a dumping ground for loads of Indians - India is massively overcrowded - and you can bet your life that the "trade" deal we do India will involve granting visas to vast numbers of them. There are aready loads of them coming over in boats now. I knew this would happen when Sunak got forced on us by the Tory party. That was an undemocratic disgrace and should have been overturned and Truss re-instated. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 24, 2023 7:51:29 GMT
I guess that you are making the point that the party is changing the pm and not the country. In this particular case it also involved the blue rinses voting in Truss.
I'd agree that a change of PM should involve a general election. Although quite why you think that the public would vote for Truss I've no idea as that seems unlikely.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 24, 2023 9:12:43 GMT
Sunak campaigned to leave the EU in 2016. Not according to Farage. Farage said he hadn't seen Sunak doing ANY campaigning for Brexit. Sunak is just about the biggest liar in the Commons. You can't believe a word he says - you have to judge him by his actions. He said that all the EU laws/regulations would be got rid of in the first 100 days - but NONE of them have gone at all. In fact he seems to be moving closer to the EU - with stuff like the "Windsor Frame-up".
Sunak just wants to ingratiate himself with the EU. He wants to become some kind of international statesman and that involves not ruffling any feathers. So he will never face down the EU - or anyone else. He's also kowtowing to Narendra Modi. Modi wants to make the UK a dumping ground for loads of Indians - India is massively overcrowded - and you can bet your life that the "trade" deal we do India will involve granting visas to vast numbers of them. There are aready loads of them coming over in boats now. I knew this would happen when Sunak got forced on us by the Tory party. That was an undemocratic disgrace and should have been overturned and Truss re-instated. And therein lies the cross-party problem, they don't want to upset or ruffle any EU feathers because they have either financial interests or career interest within the EU during or after their time as MPs. Blair is a prime example, we found out why he lick arsed the EU when he was Prime Minister, because he had his eye on the top job, he wanted to be President of the EU.
The delusional odd ball that he is, they soon put that idea out of his head when he was no longer Prime Minister, they fucked him off because he was no longer their 'useful idiot'. They'll do the same with Starmer if he becomes Prime Minister, he'll be lickin arse and be their puppet, when he's no longer Prime Minister or of any use he too will be fucked off, just like Blair was.
That is why we can't make progress with Brexit, they are 'ALL' too busy lickin arse and sucking up to the EU.
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