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Post by sheepy on Aug 20, 2023 8:28:12 GMT
Ah that old chestnut, we need them to do the jobs Brits won't, yet there are over 2 million I believe at the last count who are not in any kind of job. Now known by the term economically inactive. So what are you going to do about it? Forced conscription into work? Arm3d police at the door to frogmarch those of working age into the fields? Impoverish/force them via removing benefits to hose down abbatoirs, clean hospital toilets, cut the ice off cauliflowers or stand for 9 hours cutting up fish? Once more the solutions you and others dream of are just that...imaginary worlds where Willie Wonka and Mary Poppins live. I didn't mention a solution, I was just pointing out a fact. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 20, 2023 9:40:36 GMT
It's you who is trying to draw parallels between atrocities commited during the Second World War and the Balkan Wars and those in present-day Britain who scorn the proggie mantra 'Refugees Welcome'. I understand perfectly what you trying to say and I reject it completely as ridiculously hyperbolic not to mention ludicrously ahistorical. It took 20 years of generating hatred towards Jews in Germany. It was drip fed by the government, the press, posters, cartoons, dehumanisation and finally the atrocities. Given the inbred need by some to target others and blame them for their own failings, we have safeguards against the inevitable repetitious horror of trying to eradicte the minorities such as the UN and the EU. It dozsnt happen overnight.and due to such safeguards, the inbrzd bigotry and tribal instincts are largely now contained by law. Just a historical note: the Nazis did not invent anti-Semitism. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 20, 2023 10:55:41 GMT
News emerging today that in the latest display of utter incompetence , they have changed the rules in respect of those given refugee status. Quite rightly people who have become refugees are expected to work and support themselves. They get 28 days to vacate state provided housing and find their own accommodation. A tight deadline given they have not been allowed to work while awaiting a decision and have no idea when that decision will be made so no way of preparing for it. The latest genius idea from the Home Office is to change the way of calculating the 28 days. Instead of 28 days from the date the new citizen of the UK is told of their status, it will now be 28 days from the date the decision was made. Due to HO incompetence it usually takes around three weeks for them to get around to communicating their decision. So the message we now give to our new citizens? “Welcome to the UK. We hope you will be a valued citizen of our country. By the way you are homeless at the end of the week.” Staggering. just out of interest are you aware what happens to (over 16) children of tenants of social housing living in the home their parents were given if those parents die When you have understood how this country treats its own citizens, then, and ONLY then, are your bleeding heart whinged about how we treat those asking to come and add to our population relevant, |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 20, 2023 11:03:59 GMT
It took 20 years of generating hatred towards Jews in Germany. It was drip fed by the government, the press, posters, cartoons, dehumanisation and finally the atrocities. Given the inbred need by some to target others and blame them for their own failings, we have safeguards against the inevitable repetitious horror of trying to eradicte the minorities such as the UN and the EU. It dozsnt happen overnight.and due to such safeguards, the inbrzd bigotry and tribal instincts are largely now contained by law. Just a historical note: the Nazis did not invent anti-Semitism. Neother did Farage but he didnt mind copying their methods by publicising large posters with the same message. Or asking if you would mind living next to ...who was it...a Hungarian. Same methods.whenever they are used. Which makes it more astonishing when there are those who dont recognise the manipulations when they are used yet again. And some even applaud them. Short memory? Inability to connect the dots? Or just inbred stupidity? And carrots are orange. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 20, 2023 12:19:01 GMT
It isn't stupid to object to your homeland being invaded by unwanted foreigners. Many might think it plain common sense to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 17:18:57 GMT
It isn't stupid to object to your homeland being invaded by unwanted foreigners. Many might think it plain common sense to do so. Quite. Borders are there for a reason. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 20, 2023 23:11:38 GMT
It's yer Slippery Slope™ innit. Let people be rude about refugees and next thing you know the transports will be rolling again to the East and we'll have another six million stiffs to deal with. No one is being rude about refugees you pillock. We are not talking about refugees there are no refugees in the EU state of France. We are talking about, as if you didn't know, criminals who pay people smugglers to get them to England. For Christs sake if you want to see refugees google 'Kutupalong' those poor sods are refugees, genuine refugees. The people who the EU allow to cross the channel because we must be punished for brexit, are criminals. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 21, 2023 6:34:09 GMT
You seem to be asking a different question to the one in the thread. Do you defend making homeless with seven days notice people we have decided will be living here working here as part of our community? I'd also note that the homeless you are emoting about are not citizens so there is no reason for the rest of us to adopt your exaggerated outrage.
They've probably already had many months if not years clamped on the public teat so will have had plenty of time to make their own arrangements.
Are you suggesting that only UK citizens are morally entitled to work or have a home in the UK??? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 21, 2023 6:37:59 GMT
It isn't stupid to object to your homeland being invaded by unwanted foreigners. Many might think it plain common sense to do so. You can cut the emotive language. And it isnt up to you to decide who is wanted or unwanted. It is up to your "sovereign" democratic state which operates as any other law abiding first world country and follows UN conventions it signed. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 21, 2023 8:44:21 GMT
The government doesn't want them either. News today that three new long-term detention centres are to be opened to accommodate Channel 'refugees' - actually illegal aliens - who can't be deported.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 21, 2023 9:31:56 GMT
The government doesn't want them either. News today that three new long-term detention centres are to be opened to accommodate Channel 'refugees' - actually illegal aliens - who can't be deported. I am sure we have plenty in this country who are willing to throw a spanner in the works if they do attempt to lock up this unwanted dross . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 21, 2023 9:39:49 GMT
I'd also note that the homeless you are emoting about are not citizens so there is no reason for the rest of us to adopt your exaggerated outrage.
They've probably already had many months if not years clamped on the public teat so will have had plenty of time to make their own arrangements.
Are you suggesting that only UK citizens are morally entitled to work or have a home in the UK??? Yes. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 21, 2023 9:46:12 GMT
I'd also note that the homeless you are emoting about are not citizens so there is no reason for the rest of us to adopt your exaggerated outrage.
They've probably already had many months if not years clamped on the public teat so will have had plenty of time to make their own arrangements.
Are you suggesting that only UK citizens are morally entitled to work or have a home in the UK??? wasn’tbtgat why we left the EU ? I think we should welcome gastarbeiters AS gastarbeiters and littke else until we have the infrastructure in place to handle anything more |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 21, 2023 9:50:01 GMT
Are you suggesting that only UK citizens are morally entitled to work or have a home in the UK??? Yes. Strange innit mate that those who harp on about morals are the very same ones who are morally bankrupt themselves. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 21, 2023 12:25:33 GMT
Are you suggesting that only UK citizens are morally entitled to work or have a home in the UK??? wasn’tbtgat why we left the EU ? I think we should welcome gastarbeiters AS gastarbeiters and littke else until we have the infrastructure in place to handle anything more I am quite sure those experts, doctors, researchers, scientists and mathemeticians who just might be enticed to think of investing their skills in the UK but are of another nationality and are not UK citizens, nor want to be, will be reassured by your comments and never set foot on your island. |
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