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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 19, 2023 10:47:15 GMT
Well clearly or there wouldn't be an issue here. But if you found someone trying to talk a child into taking cocaine would you do follow your mothers advice and do nothing? You would take away the means of anyone to talk to a child , just in case ,right ? Or maybe make it law that everyone has to be licensed to talk to a child maybe ? is that what they said ? All in all i’m a bit libertarian about censorship. And when i say libertarian i mean the responsibility rests with the parents not the law. Ive mentioned the aftermath of The Omen and the Radio Times letters column ‘our 15 year old was physically sick for days how dare you broadcast it at 2am’ and no sign of the ‘madam, what made you think your daughter was emotionally mature enough to watch that on her own in the dark at 3am’ that BS deserved. BUT I would have to admit the opportunities for all sorts of information to reach my granddaughter are hugely greater than those that existed when her mum was her age and no such opportunity existed at all when i was 13….. but i chose to simply state - and back up my words - that anything they did, i would know about. This seemed to work. One of Melissa’s friends found out the hard way that her bigger brother wasn’t quite the hacker he boasted he was and actually completely failed to override the logging … her mum chose to demonstrate this by punching up the video on their smart tv while i was there…. THAT was fun… better they find out from mum and her it literate friend’s professionally literate grandad than from an employer or worse…..
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Post by zanygame on Aug 19, 2023 11:47:14 GMT
A little drastic. And you'd miss me I don't think we should (now) close down the internet, though i think this may be needed at some point to stop the AI takeover. We should shut down (or rather restrict) the cell towers so all browsing access to the internet comes through a cable to a house. It should be illegal to give a child under 16 uncontrolled access (as a parent).It should be illegal to provide a child under 16 any device capable of unrestrained browsing. Devices that are restricted should be restrained at the hardware level - ie you would need to get soldering iron out to remove the restriction.
I think we are in a social emergency and just about any economic price is worth paying to correct it.
Btw - of course i would miss youInteresting ideas. I think we could achieve your goals without a physical need to remove wireless access. Apart from that I broadly agree. Children in particular should have monitored access. The easy way to restrict access is to require registration. I think why might need to kick this idea around quite a lot to get it workable. I'd miss you too.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 19, 2023 11:50:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 11:51:08 GMT
A media influencer on TikTok set the latest challenge to her followers. Who can take the most paracetamol and survive. Winner is the one who spends longest in hospital. Surely the kids ignored her. Nope, several young people were taken to hospital with overdoses tying up Ambulance services and specialists. What's happened to the influencer? Nothing, Nada. Enough now. No more asking social media companies to comply. Block them until they act properly. Well that sort of behaviour on the part of the influencer needs to be made a serious criminal offence meriting serious jail time. If it already is a serious crime than he or she should be prosecuted. If it isn't then it ought to be. And social media companies should have a legal requirement to surrender the true identities of any such people to the police on demand. Social media is so ubiquitous that it is never going to be possible to stop everything harmful before it is too late, and armies of moderators would be necessary to shut most of it down fairly speedily. And even then it is unlikely to stop everything bad. And there is the added problem of who decides what is bad and what isnt in borderline cases, though of course the above example is an obvious case of something that should never be acceptable. And coming up with algorithms against harmful stuff is easy to suggest but extremely difficult to implement but legal sanctions on social media providers might make them try a little harder. I am naturally wary of giving any government powers of censorship over the internet so we need to be careful. Criminalising the kind of behaviour you cite above from an influencer I think is a definite urgent step to take. If using any platform to encourage dangerous behaviours by others were made a serious crime, many might think twice before doing this. Of course, another inherent problem is that the internet is international, so bad actors encouraging stupid behaviour like this might well not be within the UK jurisdiction. I guess if we don't want government censorship we have to make the platforms themselves legally culpable for their content here. Sometimes the stupid do need to be protected from themselves, because the idiots who swallowed loads of paracetamols because some prat on the internet encouraged them to, are the kind of brainless goons who should never be trusted with any position of responsibility. It is hard to fathom the utter stupidity of some people.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 19, 2023 11:53:02 GMT
Well clearly or there wouldn't be an issue here. But if you found someone trying to talk a child into taking cocaine would you do follow your mothers advice and do nothing? You would take away the means of anyone to talk to a child , just in case ,right ? Or maybe make it law that everyone has to be licensed to talk to a child maybe ? You are comic with our exaggerations. I would monitor the people talking to children and stop those daring them to overdose.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 19, 2023 11:54:45 GMT
You would take away the means of anyone to talk to a child , just in case ,right ? Or maybe make it law that everyone has to be licensed to talk to a child maybe ? is that what they said ? All in all i’m a bit libertarian about censorship. And when i say libertarian i mean the responsibility rests with the parents not the law. Ive mentioned the aftermath of The Omen and the Radio Times letters column ‘our 15 year old was physically sick for days how dare you broadcast it at 2am’ and no sign of the ‘madam, what made you think your daughter was emotionally mature enough to watch that on her own in the dark at 3am’ that BS deserved. BUT I would have to admit the opportunities for all sorts of information to reach my granddaughter are hugely greater than those that existed when her mum was her age and no such opportunity existed at all when i was 13….. but i chose to simply state - and back up my words - that anything they did, i would know about. This seemed to work. One of Melissa’s friends found out the hard way that her bigger brother wasn’t quite the hacker he boasted he was and actually completely failed to override the logging … her mum chose to demonstrate this by punching up the video on their smart tv while i was there…. THAT was fun… better they find out from mum and her it literate friend’s professionally literate grandad than from an employer or worse….. No. I was asking ZG if he thought it. My son is very strict regarding his two kids and the internet. The tablets come on at 8am and go off at 7pm. They are very limited in what they can reach. Also he has Plex type tv app that is very restricted. The oldest kid watched some “ Midsomer murders ‘ and freak out when they stayed at ours . You don’t need to shut down the internet to keep the kids away from the bad stuff.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 19, 2023 11:56:38 GMT
You would take away the means of anyone to talk to a child , just in case ,right ? Or maybe make it law that everyone has to be licensed to talk to a child maybe ? You are comic with our exaggerations. I would monitor the people talking to children and stop those daring them to overdose. Monitor? How? Would it be by making it law to talk to kids without a license or by really telling them off if they do?
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Post by zanygame on Aug 19, 2023 12:03:47 GMT
A media influencer on TikTok set the latest challenge to her followers. Who can take the most paracetamol and survive. Winner is the one who spends longest in hospital. Surely the kids ignored her. Nope, several young people were taken to hospital with overdoses tying up Ambulance services and specialists. What's happened to the influencer? Nothing, Nada. Enough now. No more asking social media companies to comply. Block them until they act properly. I think we are fast approaching the need for people to register for internet access. Otherwise what stops a person setting up multiple access points. Agreed, but then the law never claims to be able to stop all crime, just the worst of it. Alongside this the threat of being caught restrains other bad behaviour. I prefer a reporting system, but one where reports are acted upon. But I agree its never going to be easy. A UK registration system could curtail this with licenses revokable and sites marked as unsafe. Or the people who refuse the MMR jab. Because an idiot told them it gives you autism.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 19, 2023 12:07:54 GMT
You are comic with our exaggerations. I would monitor the people talking to children and stop those daring them to overdose. Monitor? How? Would it be by making it law to talk to kids without a license or by really telling them off if they do? I am discussing how with other posters who don't keep trying to put extreme words in my mouth and are less rude, feel free to follow.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 19, 2023 12:12:45 GMT
Monitor? How? Would it be by making it law to talk to kids without a license or by really telling them off if they do? I am discussing how with other posters who don't keep trying to put extreme words in my mouth and are less rude, feel free to follow. I am merely pointing out how ridiculous your situation is. You have made this point before about restricting the internet without the foggiest idea of how ridiculous your premise is. The internet should be a universally accessible medium for communication. It should not be subject to leftie virtue signallers telling us how they are going to restrict it fir our own good .
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Post by zanygame on Aug 19, 2023 12:13:46 GMT
I am discussing how with other posters who don't keep trying to put extreme words in my mouth and are less rude, feel free to follow. I am merely pointing out how ridiculous your situation is.You have made this point before about restricting the internet without the foggiest idea of how ridiculous your premise is. The internet should be a universally accessible medium for communication. It should not be subject to leftie virtue signallers telling us how they are going to restrict it fir our own good . Yes, without adding anything to the conversation.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 19, 2023 12:20:54 GMT
I am merely pointing out how ridiculous your situation is.You have made this point before about restricting the internet without the foggiest idea of how ridiculous your premise is. The internet should be a universally accessible medium for communication. It should not be subject to leftie virtue signallers telling us how they are going to restrict it fir our own good . Yes, without adding anything to the conversation. Nope. Pointing out your ridiculousness is adding to the conversation . You don’t seem to understand that “ The internet should be a universally accessible medium for communication..” IS actually adding something to the conversation. I suspect that your idea of adding something to the conversation is agreeing with you
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Post by Orac on Aug 19, 2023 12:21:15 GMT
I don't think we should (now) close down the internet, though i think this may be needed at some point to stop the AI takeover. We should shut down (or rather restrict) the cell towers so all browsing access to the internet comes through a cable to a house. It should be illegal to give a child under 16 uncontrolled access (as a parent).It should be illegal to provide a child under 16 any device capable of unrestrained browsing. Devices that are restricted should be restrained at the hardware level - ie you would need to get soldering iron out to remove the restriction.
I think we are in a social emergency and just about any economic price is worth paying to correct it.
Btw - of course i would miss youInteresting ideas. I think we could achieve your goals without a physical need to remove wireless access. Apart from that I broadly agree. Children in particular should have monitored access. The easy way to restrict access is to require registration. I think why might need to kick this idea around quite a lot to get it workable. I'd miss you too. No. registration is even more dangerous than allowing children unfettered access. Democracy needs people to be able to have a conversation in the public arena that isn't monitored and vetted by a government who can easily find out who they are. The solution for this problem, as with many current problems. lies with the authority and responsibility of parents
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Post by Bentley on Aug 19, 2023 12:29:29 GMT
Interesting ideas. I think we could achieve your goals without a physical need to remove wireless access. Apart from that I broadly agree. Children in particular should have monitored access. The easy way to restrict access is to require registration. I think why might need to kick this idea around quite a lot to get it workable. I'd miss you too. No. registration is even more dangerous than allowing children unfettered access. Democracy needs people to be able to have a conversation in the public arena that isn't monitored and vetted by a government who can easily find out who they are. The solution for this problem as with many current problems lies with the authority and responsibility of parents Indeed. Certain lefties want to restrict the internet because it’s fertile ground for restriction and comparatively easy to do , if allowed but it is no less authoritarian that restricting adult males to leave their houses because some adult males are guilty of misdemeanours when they do.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2023 12:38:21 GMT
Perhaps we need a Chinese solution:
The Great Firewall of China
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