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Post by Orac on Aug 20, 2023 14:39:24 GMT
Zany, there are uses of photography and words that we might both agree are misleading. The problem isn't the cases that we all agree on, it's the cases when there is no or little agreement. Politics is the part of any issue that people disagree about. In short - If everyone agrees something is misleading, there is no need for enforcement and, if people disagree , there is no truly objective basis for enforcement. Yes, but an independent body should be allowed to say 'this photograph is not of the topic it is claimed to support. ..in the circumstance that everyone already agrees it's misleading? That sounds a bit pointless The thing is you don't actually mean this at all. What you want is your political opinions enforced and promoted using public (other people's) resources. Imho the crux of the matter is your personal misunderstanding of what an opinion is and an incorrect evaluation of your political opinions as facts. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 20, 2023 14:47:52 GMT
Well personally I'm all up for direct democracy - I do feel however that your love of it might diminish once its in action.. ..but if your happy - sounds good. I'm all for considering what the people want (Not just old Tories ofcourse) I think it might get different results to that you think if people were well informed of the consequences of their desires. The consequences vary depending on the choices made after any vote.. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 20, 2023 16:19:28 GMT
Yes, but an independent body should be allowed to say 'this photograph is not of the topic it is claimed to support. ..in the circumstance that everyone already agrees it's misleading? That sounds a bit pointless The thing is you don't actually mean this at all. What you want is your political opinions enforced and promoted using public (other people's) resources. Imho the crux of the matter is your personal misunderstanding of what an opinion is and an incorrect evaluation of your political opinions as facts. What I want is what I said. You know full well that the image Farage used in his Brexit bid was not reality but that millions thought it was. You know full well that those opposing net zero claim we had the same weather in the Medieval warm period and that people believe it to be the same thing as now. You know full well that those opposed to tax rises say we could have the NHS by cutting spending on diversity managers and rainbow crossings when the amounts involved are microscopic compared to the costs of new treatments and drugs. Yet people believe the comparison. If you are going to allow people to vote you have to make sure they understand the facts. These misleading pieces of information are not opinions, they are deceptions. Pseudo scientists telling us not to trust the real ones. Unlike you, I do not think the average man in the street has a firm grasp on these things, so I want the facts separated from the opinions. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 21, 2023 0:43:01 GMT
Our energy was so cheap under privitisation that until the last couple of years I never gave two shits about all things my parents did growing up (lights off when not in the room, turn everything off at night etc). I find it hard to whine as hard as many do on here that COVID and Putin's war have created a couple of years of high prices.
As for the old "France still have cheap prices", that is COMPLETE BOLLOCKS. They rely on mega expensive nuclear, and half of their reactors don't even work lol. They pay a political capped price, and then fund the rest through the second highest taxes in Europe lol. If you are going to rely on lefty propaganda then you should do a quick research of the facts. Nuclear is mega-expensive, so engage your brain into how the French prices are so cheap... its not hard to work out the true prices involves tax-payer subsidies.
The OP is wrong too, 29m households will not be effected, because many will be on deals. I'm currently on a deal where I pay 9.5p for electricity between midnight and 7am... and guess what... we charge the cars up then, put the washing machine, dryer and dishwasher on timers... So I won't be affected by any price cap for another 12 months!
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Post by wapentake on Aug 21, 2023 8:13:56 GMT
Our energy was so cheap under privitisation that until the last couple of years I never gave two shits about all things my parents did growing up (lights off when not in the room, turn everything off at night etc). I find it hard to whine as hard as many do on here that COVID and Putin's war have created a couple of years of high prices. As for the old "France still have cheap prices", that is COMPLETE BOLLOCKS. They rely on mega expensive nuclear, and half of their reactors don't even work lol. They pay a political capped price, and then fund the rest through the second highest taxes in Europe lol. If you are going to rely on lefty propaganda then you should do a quick research of the facts. Nuclear is mega-expensive, so engage your brain into how the French prices are so cheap... its not hard to work out the true prices involves tax-payer subsidies. The OP is wrong too, 29m households will not be effected, because many will be on deals. I'm currently on a deal where I pay 9.5p for electricity between midnight and 7am... and guess what... we charge the cars up then, put the washing machine, dryer and dishwasher on timers... So I won't be affected by any price cap for another 12 months! And as usual you only tell half the story and don’t even research half the facts,regarding your version of propaganda and privatisation you ignore why it was such a brilliant idea to sell off energy companies in many cases to state owned companies located elsewhere,absolute genius. As far as using cheap night time electricity perhaps you should engage your brain before using a dryer whilst you sleep,still if you do you might get more heat than you expect. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 21, 2023 9:51:43 GMT
Our energy was so cheap under privitisation that until the last couple of years I never gave two shits about all things my parents did growing up (lights off when not in the room, turn everything off at night etc). I find it hard to whine as hard as many do on here that COVID and Putin's war have created a couple of years of high prices. As for the old "France still have cheap prices", that is COMPLETE BOLLOCKS. They rely on mega expensive nuclear, and half of their reactors don't even work lol. They pay a political capped price, and then fund the rest through the second highest taxes in Europe lol. If you are going to rely on lefty propaganda then you should do a quick research of the facts. Nuclear is mega-expensive, so engage your brain into how the French prices are so cheap... its not hard to work out the true prices involves tax-payer subsidies. The OP is wrong too, 29m households will not be effected, because many will be on deals. I'm currently on a deal where I pay 9.5p for electricity between midnight and 7am... and guess what... we charge the cars up then, put the washing machine, dryer and dishwasher on timers... So I won't be affected by any price cap for another 12 months! Yes the good old EU where they subsidise electricity so the the rich pay more than the poor. What a wonderful idea! Meanwhile average price of Electricity across the EU is £0.23 per kw compared to the UK £0.39 per kw. I also use the night tariff to charge my car, run the dishwasher and the heat pumps that warm my home in winter. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 21, 2023 10:21:57 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Aug 21, 2023 10:46:21 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 21, 2023 13:28:54 GMT
It should be a capital W in honour of James Watt. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 20:18:52 GMT
It should be a capital W in honour of James Watt. If we are being pedantic it is kWh. Hope that helps.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 21, 2023 21:25:06 GMT
Now we have had Brexit should we really be using kilowatts?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 21:28:39 GMT
Now we have had Brexit should we really be using kilowatts? If the government don't get their energy act together, we'll soon be using horse power, literally. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 21, 2023 21:38:24 GMT
Now we have had Brexit should we really be using kilowatts? The good old days of the foot-pound. ahhh Bisto. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 23, 2023 13:12:38 GMT
Our energy was so cheap under privitisation that until the last couple of years I never gave two shits about all things my parents did growing up (lights off when not in the room, turn everything off at night etc). I find it hard to whine as hard as many do on here that COVID and Putin's war have created a couple of years of high prices. As for the old "France still have cheap prices", that is COMPLETE BOLLOCKS. They rely on mega expensive nuclear, and half of their reactors don't even work lol. They pay a political capped price, and then fund the rest through the second highest taxes in Europe lol. If you are going to rely on lefty propaganda then you should do a quick research of the facts. Nuclear is mega-expensive, so engage your brain into how the French prices are so cheap... its not hard to work out the true prices involves tax-payer subsidies. The OP is wrong too, 29m households will not be effected, because many will be on deals. I'm currently on a deal where I pay 9.5p for electricity between midnight and 7am... and guess what... we charge the cars up then, put the washing machine, dryer and dishwasher on timers... So I won't be affected by any price cap for another 12 months! And as usual you only tell half the story and don’t even research half the facts,regarding your version of propaganda and privatisation you ignore why it was such a brilliant idea to sell off energy companies in many cases to state owned companies located elsewhere,absolute genius. As far as using cheap night time electricity perhaps you should engage your brain before using a dryer whilst you sleep,still if you do you might get more heat than you expect. On the contrary, I read all sides of the debate, so I know that the topic is very complicated. Where did I say that I agree with privatisation? I didn't. What I said is did anybody complain about privatisation during the decades that privatised energy was so cheap that nobody had to worry about it? Did anybody complain that their electricity was less than what the French were paying? No cannot moan about the prices now and ignore decades of cheap energy before it lol. My other point was, that if you are going to make a point for re-nationalisation, and point to the French (EDF) then you might want to do some basic research. They have a crumbling networking of mega-expensive nuclear reactors and are way behind us on renewables. The French utilities (energy, rail etc) all have massive debts because the price they charge bares no relation to the cost of operation. Nothing in France is cheap, they have the second highest taxes in Europe, it is political smoke and mirrors. So don't use France as example, because it is a shit example lol. As for the dryer, we have this new tech called smoke alarms... plus I'm normally awake in the man cave into the early hours anyway. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 23, 2023 15:30:48 GMT
And as usual you only tell half the story and don’t even research half the facts,regarding your version of propaganda and privatisation you ignore why it was such a brilliant idea to sell off energy companies in many cases to state owned companies located elsewhere,absolute genius. As far as using cheap night time electricity perhaps you should engage your brain before using a dryer whilst you sleep,still if you do you might get more heat than you expect. What I said is did anybody complain about privatisation during the decades that privatised energy was so cheap that nobody had to worry about it? Yeah I did complain and it was only cheap if you could afford it so the middle men who produced bog all but fitted pre pay meters so those least able paid more. I’ll use the French to make a point whether you approve or not because my point is what idiocy to privatise our utilities and then sell them to nationalised entity in another country,only a fool would support allowing vital utilities be foreign owned. Yeah well when you post telling others to put their brain in to gear expect similar in return. |
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