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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 8:54:08 GMT
I'm no expert, but isn't there a big practical problem here? How would the energy be transmitted from the Whitehall power stations to the UK public's homes? This whole mess is caused by the immense economic power of a territorial monopoly. The whole mess is caused by successive administrations short termism without regard to our energy security,that and allowing essential utilities to be foreign owned. And as with other things we are a laughing stock. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 8:56:49 GMT
I'm no expert, but isn't there a big practical problem here? How would the energy be transmitted from the Whitehall power stations to the UK public's homes? This whole mess is caused by the immense economic power of a territorial monopoly. The whole mess is caused by successive administrations short termism without regard to our energy security,that and allowing essential utilities to be foreign owned. And as with other things we are a laughing stock. How did the British public end up with (choose) that unsavory compromise? They did so because the other bargain offered looked even worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2023 9:02:49 GMT
I'm no expert, but isn't there a big practical problem here? How would the energy be transmitted from the Whitehall power stations to the UK public's homes? This whole mess is caused by the immense economic power of a territorial monopoly. You put the monopoly power in private hands and people are concerned that they are being privately shafted You put the monopoly power in public hands and creepy Marxist types try to use the power to overturn elected governments and defeat democracy. It's simple. The government do what the private energy companies do. They run their operations from a computerised office which records smart meter readings or takes them from a central database. They "buy in" energy as a commodity which has no tangible form as electricity, then sell it on to make profit and pay their staff and overheads. Similar with gas, which at least has a physical form. Bought in cheap, sold on dearer. Cutting out middle men and shareholder profit would be beneficial to customers. What's the real practical problem, again? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 9:04:16 GMT
The whole mess is caused by successive administrations short termism without regard to our energy security,that and allowing essential utilities to be foreign owned. And as with other things we are a laughing stock. How did the British public end up with (choose) that unsavory compromise? They did so because the other bargain offered looked even worse. We never get any bargains,I’m old enough to remember when north sea gas was discovered and how we were promised by politicians bargain energy,as usual never happened. How is it other countries manage to secure that and profit from it too (Norway)? |
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 9:06:28 GMT
I'm no expert, but isn't there a big practical problem here? How would the energy be transmitted from the Whitehall power stations to the UK public's homes? This whole mess is caused by the immense economic power of a territorial monopoly. You put the monopoly power in private hands and people are concerned that they are being privately shafted You put the monopoly power in public hands and creepy Marxist types try to use the power to overturn elected governments and defeat democracy. It's simple. The government do what the private energy companies do. They run their operations from a computerised office which records smart meter readings or takes them from a central database. They "buy in" energy as a commodity which has no tangible form as electricity, then sell it on to make profit and pay their staff and overheads. Similar with gas, which at least has a physical form. Bought in cheap, sold on dearer. Cutting out middle men and shareholder profit would be beneficial to customers. What's the real practical problem, again? What happens when the unionised civil servants who operate the switches, decide to cut off the nation's electricity to pursue a 150% pay rise and make Glory Hole Studies part of the UK's mandatory curriculum in primary schools? Edit to add - You are right about the practical problem if the infrastructure is all taken into public ownership |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 9:19:00 GMT
It's simple. The government do what the private energy companies do. They run their operations from a computerised office which records smart meter readings or takes them from a central database. They "buy in" energy as a commodity which has no tangible form as electricity, then sell it on to make profit and pay their staff and overheads. Similar with gas, which at least has a physical form. Bought in cheap, sold on dearer. Cutting out middle men and shareholder profit would be beneficial to customers. What's the real practical problem, again? What happens when the unionised civil servants who operate the switches, decide to cut off the nation's electricity to pursue a 150% pay rise and make Glory Hole Studies part of the UK's mandatory curriculum in primary schools? Civil servants neither run nor operate the national grid |
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 9:22:28 GMT
How did the British public end up with (choose) that unsavory compromise? They did so because the other bargain offered looked even worse. We never get any bargains,I’m old enough to remember when north sea gas was discovered and how we were promised by politicians bargain energy,as usual never happened. How is it other countries manage to secure that and profit from it too (Norway)? What you need is a trustworthy British institution that can be expected to use the power responsibly to benefit the people of the UK. Who would you have take charge of this immense power? |
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 9:23:33 GMT
What happens when the unionised civil servants who operate the switches, decide to cut off the nation's electricity to pursue a 150% pay rise and make Glory Hole Studies part of the UK's mandatory curriculum in primary schools? Civil servants neither run nor operate the national grid If not government employees, who are they employees of? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 9:25:47 GMT
We never get any bargains,I’m old enough to remember when north sea gas was discovered and how we were promised by politicians bargain energy,as usual never happened. How is it other countries manage to secure that and profit from it too (Norway)? What you need is a trustworthy British institution that can be expected to use the power responsibly to benefit the people of the UK. Who would you have take charge of this immense power? Well as the battle between state owned and private industry is always s divisive why cannot we look at some sort of mutual solution. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 9:30:33 GMT
Civil servants neither run nor operate the national grid If not government employees, who are they employees of? In England and wales national grid plc |
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 9:34:19 GMT
What you need is a trustworthy British institution that can be expected to use the power responsibly to benefit the people of the UK. Who would you have take charge of this immense power? Well as the battle between state owned and private industry is always s divisive why cannot we look at some sort of mutual solution. This sounds to me like a 'worst of both worlds' solution. Civil service unions can use the power to defeat elected governments and shareholders can collect dividends on the value of the monopoly. The British public better be prepared to keep both sides happy. you may at this point, be asking yourself why we can't run anything to our national benefit? My answer is that, to a large degree our nation has been systematically and deliberately abolished. At the moment its domain expertise seems to extend to arresting teenage girls for insulting lesbians |
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 9:35:55 GMT
If not government employees, who are they employees of? In England and wales national grid plc So this is all going to remain private - is it private now? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 15, 2023 15:23:04 GMT
starmer doesnt agree with us though regarding energy on some farce of a so called market. The thing is although Thatcher invented NETA it was on Blair’s watch that i was implementing bits of it for YEG. Indeed i spent two years deregulating SWALEC for tranche 4 from 1997-1999 then spent a disastrous couple of months at YEG Leeds before coming south to sort out NTL’s Y2k fun. All on Blair’s watch he didn't seem keen to roll back thatcherism and isn’t Starmer a Blair Arse Kisser ? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 15, 2023 15:24:48 GMT
How did the British public end up with (choose) that unsavory compromise? They did so because the other bargain offered looked even worse. We never get any bargains,I’m old enough to remember when north sea gas was discovered and how we were promised by politicians bargain energy,as usual never happened. How is it other countries manage to secure that and profit from it too (Norway)? i’m old enough to remember tony benn mouthing off about electricity too cheap to meter … |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 16:49:05 GMT
Well as the battle between state owned and private industry is always s divisive why cannot we look at some sort of mutual solution. This sounds to me like a 'worst of both worlds' solution. Civil service unions can use the power to defeat elected governments and shareholders can collect dividends on the value of the monopoly. The British public better be prepared to keep both sides happy. you may at this point, be asking yourself why we can't run anything to our national benefit? My answer is that, to a large degree our nation has been systematically and deliberately abolished. At the moment its domain expertise seems to extend to arresting teenage girls for insulting lesbians I think we have more to worry about than some teen being arrested,why would it be the worst of both worlds,? mutuals if operated correctly are a great institution they are owned by the people that use its services but are not nationalised. It’s a plc so I assume is private |
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