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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 1, 2022 8:50:23 GMT
The way I see it there are 6 potential solutions (that I can think of) to the illegal immigrant crisis:
1) Send them to another country for processing (e.g. Rwanda). This needs a change in the law because it's subject to so many legal challenges. It also probably requires that we leave the ECHR which will be difficult because so many MPs support the ECHR - and it's written into some parts of our agreement with the EU. So far no one has tried to change the law.
2) Get an agreement with France to return them. Unfortunately the French have resisted this because the UK is a very convenient dumping ground for all the illegals that turn up in Greece and Italy and tramp through several EU countries to France. They just send them to England - just as Italy gives them a one way train ticket to France.
3) Take the gloves off and threaten France with the revoking of their fishing rights. They can solve this problem in weeks if they try - they just need to either prevent the migrants getting hold of inflatables and/or puncture them when they try to put them in the water. Of course the EU will throw a wobbly and talk about guillotining our free trade agreement - but at least it would get the attention of France which is sadly lacking at the moment.
4) Over half the illegals now are from Albania - who have no right to asylum in either France or the UK. Germany and Sweden automatically reject all asylum applications from Albanians - they're not even processed, they're returned to ALbania. We can't do that because our laws (written by Leftie lawyers no doubt) say that people (of any nationality) who claim they've been "trafficked" CAN claim asylum - and of course all Albanians now have been advised that they have to say they've been trafficked. So. again we need to change our law.
5) Tackle the pull factor that has so many wanting to come to the UK. We can't do much about the pull factor of our language but there are many other things that we could do. The French say that one of the reasons so many come to the UK is because we have such a large black economy and high benefits - and they're right. The French have clamped down on their black economy be having far more effective identity checks. Richard Tice has pointed out the huge rise in "cash-based" workers. For example there's a huge rise in Turkish barbers/car washes. You get barber shops who have hardly any customers but are simply cash laundering fronts for crime. (There are several in my neighbouring town). And the Albanians have taken over drugs and sex workers. Yet the police do fuck all about this. Another factor is the fact that these people are paid (£40/week) and put in hotels. Crazy. They should be detained in secure basic accommodation to prevent absconding.
6) Processing needs to be expedited. Currently it takes so long to process people that they either disappear or have been here so long that, if they're finally rejected, the appeal to the ECHR who almost always find in their favour. There are too many grounds for appeal in the UK and we should not be part of the ECHR.
These points are all obvious. So why aren't the government DOING something about it?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 1, 2022 8:57:07 GMT
It also strikes me that it would be quite easy to target the people traffickers with some interpol cooperation. And that would be in every countries' interest.
So why aren't we doing any of these things?
I'd suggest the political will isn't there.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 1, 2022 9:01:58 GMT
So why aren't the government DOING something about it? Two words: The Blob |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 9:27:59 GMT
The Tories don't want to do anything about it, it keeps the idiots occupied.😁
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Post by dappy on Nov 1, 2022 9:35:55 GMT
Meanwhile back in the real world......
The vast majority of people needing asylum reaching Europe come nowhere near UK. The vast majority of the smaller number that reach France come nowhere near the UK. We have far less than "our share".
So why the issue which dominates certain of our tabloids. Because unscrupulous politicians seem to exploit people's insecurities by whipping up their fear and politicising an issue to grab power for themselves and their party.
If we want to address this issue, lets do it, but do it in a grown-up way copying the best of our neighbours systems.
1) Put a reporting point in Calais whereby potential applicants can apply for asylum avoiding the dangerous and emotive channel crossing
2) Bring those that apply here safely, accommodate in adequate safe but not luxurious accommodation while their application is processed.
3) Expect them to work to (at least partially) fund themselves while their application is processed.
4) Invest the money saved in processing applications far more quickly
5) restrict appeals to one and prioritise hearing those appeals promptly
6) Quid pro quo for the Calais reporting centre is that France agrees to allow us to repatriate to them those whose applications fail
7) If one nation is an issue (eg Albania) - your 50% number is nonsensical by the way - then address it potentially with secure accommodation being used for nationals of that country - but understand that those intending t work here illegally will simply witch to other non-asylum ways of arriving (eg lorries and containers)
If we want to mitigate the impact of asylum, it is relatively simple to do so, but politicians have to want to do so and not instead try to exploit the situation to earn votes from gullible elderly tabloid readers. Until we have a change of government, I fear nothing will change.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 1, 2022 10:11:43 GMT
5a Analyse why acceptance rates in the UK are twice as high as the EU and take whatever steps are necessary to remove this discrepancy as a 'pull' factor.  |
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Post by dappy on Nov 1, 2022 10:20:39 GMT
I agree Dan. Why has that rate changed so dramatically (is it just because people from Ukraine, Hong Kong and people we flew in from Afghanistan are counted in the number??)
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 1, 2022 10:36:52 GMT
Ukrainians and Hong Kong Chinese are admitted under separate visa schemes that do not require them to claim asylum so they are not included in the asylum statistics. Afghans who are not admitted under any of the three resettlement schemes may be included in the asylum seeker numbers. However according to the Oxford Migration Observatory, Afghans accounted for only 5% of applications in 2021, behind Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania and Syria. migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/ |
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Post by dappy on Nov 1, 2022 10:44:00 GMT
The figures are odd, Dan. Your link suggests that the number of asylum grants is at or below trend levels but the percentage has increased. I don't know what is happening here but away from the political posturing of an appalling Home secretary put in place consciously by our Prime Minister, I hope the Home Office is trying to understand what has changed and why. Your numbers suggest that the issue is not that more positive cases are being processed but that negative decisions are not being completed. What has changed to delay those?
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 1, 2022 10:55:34 GMT
It could be that the bulk of prospective refusals are in the backlog of cases that are still undecided, which is now over 100,000. That will include the 96% of 2021 boat arrivals as already officially admitted, probably also a similar proportion of 2022 boat arrivals as well, and no doubt some of the earlier years cohorts. The bottom line is that very few of those who have claimed asylum in the last two or three years, of whom the overwhelming majority have been small boat arrivals, have passed completely through the asylum system yet.
As for the cause of delay, the evidence presented to the Home Affairs committee indicates that case workers responsible for initial decisions are managing only 1.2 cases each per week, or around 50 per year. When you consider that half or more of all cases go to appeal, which can take years to resolve, it's not hard to see how the backlog of unresolved cases can increase rapidly.
The Nationality and Borders Act is supposed to remedy this but its key provisions only came into effect in June so its effects have yet to work their way into the system. I suspect that officials are holding back until the Rwanda business is settled in the courts, which I understand will happen some time this month. If the government receives a favourable judgment we could see the backlog diminish very rapidly and the acceptance rate fall accordingly.
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Post by dappy on Nov 1, 2022 11:00:59 GMT
I suspect you are right Dan. Crazy for both the country and for the people themselves. Instead of daft vast expense nonsense like Rwanda, aimed purely at tabloid headlines, surely better to invest in speeding up this process and at the same time reviewing the process to clear out whatever bottlenecks is causing these ridiculous delays.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 11:18:53 GMT
Well done Suella. At last a politician who is listening to what most decent British people want. Tories warn of 'fireworks' if Suella Braverman is axed and insist she was 'speaking the truth' as she faces backlash over claim Channel migrants are 'invading' south coast - with her own minister voicing alarm about 'demonising' arrivals Suella Braverman facing backlash over claim of migrant 'invasion' on south coast The comment came as she made a Commons statement defending her handling Tories voiced alarm while immigration minister distanced himself from remark www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11376451/Tories-join-backlash-Suella-Braverman-claim-Channel-migrants-invading.html |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 1, 2022 11:51:36 GMT
Well done Suella. At last a politician who is listening to what most decent British people want. Tories warn of 'fireworks' if Suella Braverman is axed and insist she was 'speaking the truth' as she faces backlash over claim Channel migrants are 'invading' south coast - with her own minister voicing alarm about 'demonising' arrivals Suella Braverman facing backlash over claim of migrant 'invasion' on south coast The comment came as she made a Commons statement defending her handling Tories voiced alarm while immigration minister distanced himself from remark www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11376451/Tories-join-backlash-Suella-Braverman-claim-Channel-migrants-invading.htmlExactly, why can't she say what most people are thinking.
I don't believe this is what it has come down to, for fear of upsetting the Woke snowflakes you can't say things like, it's a fuckin absolute outrage that the UK are being flooded with the rejects from France, France are off loading it's undesirable migrants on to the shores of the UK, no Councils want them and no one in the UK wants them in a town near them, send them fuckin packin to where they came from .... now that's what most people are thinking and should be able to shout it from the rooftops, not gagging the media from speaking up.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 11:56:08 GMT
Well done Suella. At last a politician who is listening to what most decent British people want. Tories warn of 'fireworks' if Suella Braverman is axed and insist she was 'speaking the truth' as she faces backlash over claim Channel migrants are 'invading' south coast - with her own minister voicing alarm about 'demonising' arrivals Suella Braverman facing backlash over claim of migrant 'invasion' on south coast The comment came as she made a Commons statement defending her handling Tories voiced alarm while immigration minister distanced himself from remark www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11376451/Tories-join-backlash-Suella-Braverman-claim-Channel-migrants-invading.htmlExactly, why can't she say what most people are thinking.
I don't believe this is what it has come down to, for fear of upsetting the Woke snowflakes you can't say things like, it's a fuckin absolute outrage that the UK are being flooded with the rejects from France, France are off loading it's undesirable migrants on to the shores of the UK, no Councils want them and no one in the UK wants them in a town near them, send them fuckin packin to where they came from .... now that's what most people are thinking and should be able to shout it from the rooftops, not gagging the media from speaking up.
Exactly mate even some councils including labour ones are now righly moaning about having to put these arseholes up in hotels Torbay included which is just a stones throw away from where I live. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 12:45:53 GMT
The Tories don't want to do anything about it, it keeps the idiots occupied.😁 See what I mean.😂 |
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