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Post by see2 on Aug 14, 2023 16:54:05 GMT
Not sure what I think about this. Yes we should help our neighbours and all that but Englands health system is stretched enough as it is without diverting resources to help Wales and Scotland who, lets be fair, wanted to go away and do their own thing. Now they are failing is it really our job to bail them out? I don't see anything new about this, New Labour used the private sector both here and in France in their effort to bring the horrendous waiting times and to catch upon operations needed that they inherited from the Tories. I see this as a way of stealing the ground off the moderates for election purposes. True Conservatism will return just as soon as they win the election, if they do that is. Tories being led by Blair, whoever would have guessed? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2023 17:06:14 GMT
Tories being led by Blair, whoever would have guessed? where have you been for the last 13 years? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 14, 2023 18:03:30 GMT
I would have thought it obvious - if you are using capacity to reduce waiting times in Scotland and Wales then that is capacity that cannot be used to reduce waiting times in England. Ok two things First, that link says English PRIVATE hospitals Second, your NHS has been doing this to gain Welsh NHS Money for years. All Welsh GP Fundholding practices were contacted by English NHS trusts along the welsh marches at least 15 years ago tendering to take their money to give elective surgery to patients in need months or even years before that same money could buy a place in a Welsh NHS Trusts Hospital. I was unable to take advantage of the offer for my cataract operation because the equipment at Cardiff was better and necessary for the degree of eyeball distortion caused by my forceps delivery. My wife and my youngest have both had minor surgery (one for carpal tunnel the other for a knee injury caused by an act of violence by a school bully) at the walk in centre north of the M4 Junction 32. My heart and lung scan after heart failure was detected following long covid was carried out in Chepstow under a Bristol NHS consultant. All these procedures would normally have been done in Welsh NHS facilities and funded from budgets allocated to my self funded NHS GP Practice, but were instead carried out after roughly a third of the welsh waiting time by the english nhs paid by welsh NHS GP budgets. The surgery slots were all pre-COVID The reason the English NHS was able to offer this service was they built walk in centres with the money saved by not operating a free universal prescription only medicine service. Yes the Welsh and Scots DO waste that much money. At least thats what someone was told in answer to an FOI Request years ago And no, you aren’t being screwed. Or you weren’t. The offer to Welsh NHS patients was made because there was capacity, but not the staff. Again this is what the FOI request received. The English NHS were telling the curious welsh funds were staffing facilities that would otherwise stand idle and this provided extra slots for english patients too. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 15, 2023 6:43:47 GMT
Hospital treatment – shocking 14 times as many waiting more than 18 weeks in England than in Scotland
Stephen Barclay’s advice is ‘just don’t have waiting time targets’ as Scotland beats his cancer waiting times by 30%
talkingupscotlandtwo.com/
The reason we have longer NHS waiting times in England is because the population of England is ten times greater than Scotland , Wales has an even smaller population than your country you cannot even begin the compare them, the logistics speak for themselves obviously it passed you by handyman , but if you look at post ten on this thread( quoting a tweet) the guy explains as a percentage of population to you....
I cant help it if one in nearly 7 english people are waiting on the english nhs under the disaster that is the tories. Only someone as dim as steve barclay from a party that is bereft of ideas would use the tories achiilies heel , the nhs , to attack other parties on with the state they have the english nhs in.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 15, 2023 8:09:32 GMT
Suggest you look in your own back yard, and how badly your NHS failed you , Wales the same
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 15, 2023 21:23:34 GMT
Seeing that both Wales and Scotland's populations are much smaller their NHS should be far more efficient and have smaller waiting lists than England They should, but for some reason they are not. If it is purely down to their decision not to use the available private sector capacity in their locations then that is a decision for them and I dont think England should get involved. Actually it’s more to do with staff, or lack of At the height of the chinese pox the mincing mulatto who by his own mouth condemned himself as not up to the job restructured three hispitsls caused utter havoc and moved trauma care to tbe new Llantarnam Grange. Where they had lots of shiny new equipment and no staff to run it. Those they had were not able to log in to the flash systems. Leaving them using managers logins and passwords and losing all trace of audit trails for dispensing and administering drugs. A year or so before brexit the welsh windbag loudly trumoeted tbe arrival of sixty spanish and portuguese nurses to swell the numbers at tbe royal gwent. Within six weeks all had caught a train and ferry home, having been told tbe welsh nhs had no money to pay them. |
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