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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
Are private hospitals currently running at capacity in England? If not, I'm not really sure what the issue is. If they are not running at capacity why do we have such long waiting lists? There is a finite amount of capacity in the system - a surgeon can only do one hip replacement a day whether that be on a private patient, one from the NHS in England, or someone from Scotland or Wales. Yes in an ideal world the private sector would have scores of surgeons sitting around doing nothing all day waiting for someone to walk through the door - but that is not reality. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2023 10:48:48 GMT
I'm thinking, if the boot were on the other foot would Wales and Scotland help England out, or just score political points, tricky innit. Seeing that both Wales and Scotland's populations are much smaller their NHS should be far more efficient and have smaller waiting lists than England They should, but for some reason they are not. If it is purely down to their decision not to use the available private sector capacity in their locations then that is a decision for them and I dont think England should get involved. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 13, 2023 11:43:33 GMT
Seeing that both Wales and Scotland's populations are much smaller their NHS should be far more efficient and have smaller waiting lists than England They should, but for some reason they are not. If it is purely down to their decision not to use the available private sector capacity in their locations then that is a decision for them and I dont think England should get involved. I agree 100% |
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Post by thomas on Aug 13, 2023 11:43:54 GMT
Not sure what I think about this. Yes we should help our neighbours and all that but Englands health system is stretched enough as it is without diverting resources to help Wales and Scotland who, lets be fair, wanted to go away and do their own thing. Now they are failing is it really our job to bail them out?
There already is a reciprocal deal between the various health services for speciality needs. Is this news to you pacifico?
Perhaps poor auld stsve barclay should sort out the doctors striking in his own country , and deal with the massive 7.75 million patients wating for treatment backlog instead of trying for pr stunts in the media .
does poor auld steve have much to say about the wastage of hundreds of millions and dodgy dealings with tory baroness mone? I tell you we must be inchng closer to election time and the tories getting increasingly concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2023 12:10:22 GMT
What next ?
North Korea helping Russia out with human rights lawyers
China helping Hong Kong out with democracy advisors
This has got to be some kind of joke with the English NHS been in its worst state ever in history, thanks to yet another Tory government.
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Post by thomas on Aug 13, 2023 16:10:09 GMT
even the welsh are laughing at barclay , and the desperation of the tories in englandshire........
UK Government’s Health Secretary ‘open to requests’ for Welsh and Scots patients to be treated in England
Mr Matheson suggested the UK Government should focus on the “many issues south of the border”, while Labour’s Wes Streeting said the only advice the Tories are qualified to offer is how to “wreck” the NHS.
The Welsh Labour Government was also apparently unenthused by the offer, claiming its administration has “outperformed” England in major emergency department wait times.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 13, 2023 16:28:57 GMT
Are private hospitals currently running at capacity in England? If not, I'm not really sure what the issue is. If they are not running at capacity why do we have such long waiting lists? There is a finite amount of capacity in the system - a surgeon can only do one hip replacement a day whether that be on a private patient, one from the NHS in England, or someone from Scotland or Wales. Yes in an ideal world the private sector would have scores of surgeons sitting around doing nothing all day waiting for someone to walk through the door - but that is not reality. I beg to differ a Surgeon will do more than one Hip or Knee per day, they certainly do in the Theatre my wife works in, seen as very routine in this day and age you are not on the table for long |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2023 17:12:22 GMT
Not sure what I think about this. Yes we should help our neighbours and all that but Englands health system is stretched enough as it is without diverting resources to help Wales and Scotland who, lets be fair, wanted to go away and do their own thing. Now they are failing is it really our job to bail them out?
There already is a reciprocal deal between the various health services for speciality needs. Is this news to you pacifico?
Perhaps poor auld stsve barclay should sort out the doctors striking in his own country , and deal with the massive 7.75 million patients wating for treatment backlog instead of trying for pr stunts in the media .
does poor auld steve have much to say about the wastage of hundreds of millions and dodgy dealings with tory baroness mone? I tell you we must be inchng closer to election time and the tories getting increasingly concerned.
Enough with your whataboutery - we are discussing why waiting lists are longer in Wales and Scotland compared to England. I know this is difficult for you but that is what the thread is about. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 13, 2023 18:00:37 GMT
This has got to be some kind of joke It's the way you tell em Sid.... |
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Post by thomas on Aug 14, 2023 5:57:56 GMT
does poor auld steve have much to say about the wastage of hundreds of millions and dodgy dealings with tory baroness mone? I tell you we must be inchng closer to election time and the tories getting increasingly concerned.
Enough with your whataboutery - we are discussing why waiting lists are longer in Wales and Scotland compared to England. I know this is difficult for you but that is what the thread is about. Shocking revelation that NHS waiting times in England are 14.5 times greater than that in Scotland.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2023 6:41:48 GMT
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Post by thomas on Aug 14, 2023 6:46:43 GMT
things that bad in england , the tories are now reduced to talking about scrapping figures in an attempt to hide their disasterous running of nhs englandshire....
Two-thirds of NHS cancer waiting time targets are expected to be scrapped in England, in a move the health service says aims to catch cancers earlier.
NHS bosses want to reduce the number of targets, most of which have been routinely missed in recent years, from nine to three.
They say the plan is backed by leading cancer experts and will simplify the “outdated” standards.
But the head of the Radiotherapy UK charity said she is “deeply worried”.
Pat Price, who is also an oncologist and visiting professor at Imperial College London, said current performance was “shockingly bad”, and while too many targets could be disruptive, “the clear and simple truth is that we are not investing enough in cancer treatment capacity”. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66494983 |
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Post by thomas on Aug 14, 2023 6:49:25 GMT
Hospital treatment – shocking 14 times as many waiting more than 18 weeks in England than in Scotland
Stephen Barclay’s advice is ‘just don’t have waiting time targets’ as Scotland beats his cancer waiting times by 30%
talkingupscotlandtwo.com/
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Post by Handyman on Aug 14, 2023 11:52:57 GMT
Hospital treatment – shocking 14 times as many waiting more than 18 weeks in England than in Scotland
Stephen Barclay’s advice is ‘just don’t have waiting time targets’ as Scotland beats his cancer waiting times by 30%
talkingupscotlandtwo.com/
The reason we have longer NHS waiting times in England is because the population of England is ten times greater than Scotland , Wales has an even smaller population than your country you cannot even begin the compare them, the logistics speak for themselves |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 15:26:48 GMT
I would have thought it obvious - if you are using capacity to reduce waiting times in Scotland and Wales then that is capacity that cannot be used to reduce waiting times in England. You do know that it was high before the pandemic and then low during the pandemic and has now gone back to pre-pandemic levels but they are omitting pre-pandemic levels, its just another battle in the Tory culture wars. |
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