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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2023 18:03:59 GMT
I don’t celebrate people who die not even those I dislike,if these are are people fleeing persecution it is a tragedy if not it’s sad but that’s the risk you took.
I know I keep banging on about this but bad times and hard decisions are coming,mass movement on an unprecedented scale is likely, do all those who criticise the stance on economic migrants realise this I ask the questions and get no answers.
I don’t know if they realise this either but at the UN and eu are discussing this at highest level on the basis of climate change making large parts of the world uninhabitable,I suspect there’s more than that because the world is overpopulated with many living at subsistence level or worse and want better and who can blame them.
The question is should we and Europe open the doors to all comers if this occurs,harsh as it may sound I’d say no,anyone differ and why?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 18:45:00 GMT
Meanwhile the Russians are using migrants as a weapon, getting their puppet state Belarus to breach the Polish border with an influx of non Europeans.
The Poles have sent 10,000 troops to that border.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 11, 2023 7:59:04 GMT
Fuck off RR. They're not asylum seekers. The question is about whether it's a "tragedy". I'm not interested in your nonsense. I'm interested in the deliberate misuse of language by the Left to try to justify illegal activities. They're trying to rewrite our language. Even the UK government does not know if people coming to the UK to claim asylum are asylum seekers so how could you possibly know. It is my opinion, given the statistics, that our government does not want to assess their claims because they know most of them would be granted. I'm not interested in your lack of knowledge regarding asylum seekers. It's you who's ignorant RR. The current law is that those who come from France are not entitled to asylum, because France is a safe country. What they're claiming is that they're being "trafficked" because of Theresa May's daft "Modern Slavery Act". Which is quite strange because if they're being trafficked I would have thought that they would want to return to France. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 8:22:10 GMT
Even the UK government does not know if people coming to the UK to claim asylum are asylum seekers so how could you possibly know. It is my opinion, given the statistics, that our government does not want to assess their claims because they know most of them would be granted. I'm not interested in your lack of knowledge regarding asylum seekers. It's you who's ignorant RR. The current law is that those who come from France are not entitled to asylum, because France is a safe country. What they're claiming is that they're being "trafficked" because of Theresa May's daft "Modern Slavery Act". Which is quite strange because if they're being trafficked I would have thought that they would want to return to France. Why would they want to return to Xtance? If they have been trafficked they may want to go to Germany or Sweden or Luxembourg or Spain. Etc. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2023 8:49:43 GMT
It's you who's ignorant RR. The current law is that those who come from France are not entitled to asylum, because France is a safe country. What they're claiming is that they're being "trafficked" because of Theresa May's daft "Modern Slavery Act". Which is quite strange because if they're being trafficked I would have thought that they would want to return to France. Why would they want to return to Xtance? Because their story is that they been removed *against their will* from France |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 10:10:28 GMT
That might be geographically true...or not.
Some, if you recall come from as far as Viet Nam. And die in containers.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2023 10:19:44 GMT
That might be geographically true...or not. If they weren't taken against their will from France, I guess their story must be false (or they would have a different story). |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 10:37:17 GMT
That might be geographically true...or not. Some, if you recall come from as far as Viet Nam. And die in containers. And whose fault is that? |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 10:39:28 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 10:40:58 GMT
A new UN convention on refugees and illegal immigration needs drawing up, it's clear that the convention is being abused. Albanian gangsters for example. It’s no use saying that Duppy will come along and ask for more precise details and when you do will say it’s all very vague expecting that you’ll draft a new comprehensive convention in minutes however when you ask for his ideas you get no reply.  |
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2023 10:45:53 GMT
My suggestion would be to remove proportionate territory from the suppliers of refugees and give control of it to those who accept them. This allows the host countries to set up facilities in the newly controlled territory, without accepting them into their country.
This would need to be supported by the UN security council (US etc), and presently this body seems to actively support people trafficking. There would need to be a purge first.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 11:14:17 GMT
My suggestion would be to remove proportionate territory from the suppliers of refugees and give control of it to those who accept them. This allows the host countries to set up facilities in the newly controlled territory, without accepting them into their country. This would need to be supported by the UN security council (US etc), and presently this body seems to actively support people trafficking. There would need to be a purge first. And that is the only solution that they be helped and protected nearer to their home. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 15:17:30 GMT
Asylum seekers are 'lowlifes'? Nope. People who are fraudulently exploiting legislation designed to help people in genuine need, are lowlifes Additionally, people who press and back the claims of these frauds for political reasons, are also lowlifes. Ah, so you are happy for genuine asylum seekers to come here by small boats but not the economic migrants at last we agree about something. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 15:20:37 GMT
Even the UK government does not know if people coming to the UK to claim asylum are asylum seekers so how could you possibly know. It is my opinion, given the statistics, that our government does not want to assess their claims because they know most of them would be granted. I'm not interested in your lack of knowledge regarding asylum seekers. It's you who's ignorant RR. The current law is that those who come from France are not entitled to asylum, because France is a safe country. What they're claiming is that they're being "trafficked" because of Theresa May's daft "Modern Slavery Act". Which is quite strange because if they're being trafficked I would have thought that they would want to return to France. Again you get it wrong. The law as it stands now means that if they come across on small boats they are not allowed to claim asylum because we have removed that right. If the are being trafficked they have paid someone to bring them here so why would they want to go back. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2023 15:29:37 GMT
Nope. People who are fraudulently exploiting legislation designed to help people in genuine need, are lowlifes Additionally, people who press and back the claims of these frauds for political reasons, are also lowlifes. Ah, so you are happy for genuine asylum seekers to come here by small boats but not the economic migrants at last we agree about something. Unless they rowed down a river into a river in Syria, Afghanistan or the Ukraine and then sailed the entire med and around Spain or around half of Asia, I can't see how a genuine asylum seeker could arrive in the uk by small boat. |
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