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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 12:44:45 GMT
Nope. They have to be in the UK to claim, as has already been pointed out. I did enjoy your answer though, made me chuckle. 🤭 Nope. they can request asylum from inside our outside the UK. By 'claiming asylum', you seem to mean something slightly distinct from requesting asylum - ie something much closer to forcing themselves on the UK public. It's true that they fan only force themselves on the UK public by entering the UKWow, this is hard work. From the same source: |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 13:08:34 GMT
I'm just pointing how you are being deceptive. People can request asylum from outside the UK and the UK can (at its discretion) grant it. However, what they can't do, which is what you apparently need them to be able to do, is force themselves onto the UK from outside the UK. In your desperation to turn the UK into refugee camp and subject its people to arbitrary demands, you overlooked that the asylum process is there to allow people to get out of danger, rather than into the UK. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 13:10:06 GMT
Nope. they can request asylum from inside our outside the UK. By 'claiming asylum', you seem to mean something slightly distinct from requesting asylum - ie something much closer to forcing themselves on the UK public. It's true that they fan only force themselves on the UK public by entering the UKWow, this is hard work. From the same source: The boat people have no right to claim Asylum any way, they come from France which makes them ineligible to claim Asylum.
Unless there is something going on in France we don't know about ...
On what grounds can a claim for asylum be made?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to those individuals on the grounds that they are unable to live safely in their own country because of fear of persecution. This persecution must be on account of: race. religion
Plus the fact most of the illegal migrants are from Albania.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 13:43:26 GMT
The boat people have no right to claim Asylum any way, they come from France which makes them ineligible to claim Asylum.
Unless there is something going on in France we don't know about ... Under which regulation do you believe coming via France makes them ineligible? Most of our asylum seekers come via France, but yet get granted asylum, so you cannot be correct. I acknowledge your point on Albania, there is an issue here. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 13:49:37 GMT
Most of our asylum seekers come via France, but yet get granted asylum, so you cannot be correct. As i outlined. Once in the UK, they can force themselves on the UK public, or as you euphemistically put it 'claim asylum'. However, no non UK national in France has a legal right to asylum in the UK or to enter the UK, because France is a safe country and so there is no need at all for them to enter the UK to be safe. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 13:57:46 GMT
The boat people have no right to claim Asylum any way, they come from France which makes them ineligible to claim Asylum.
Unless there is something going on in France we don't know about ... Under which regulation do you believe coming via France makes them ineligible? Most of our asylum seekers come via France, but yet get granted asylum, so you cannot be correct. I acknowledge your point on Albania, there is an issue here. I am not sure it's actually Asylum they are granted, if they come via France their application will more likely be a migrant status application and not Asylum, unless they can prove they have come directly from a country like Ukraine that is war torn, so losing their papers and Identities doesn't always pay off for them. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 14:02:58 GMT
Most of our asylum seekers come via France, but yet get granted asylum, so you cannot be correct. As i outlined. Once in the UK, they can force themselves on the UK public, or as you euphemistically put it 'claim asylum'. However, no non UK national in France has a legal right to asylum in the UK or to enter the UK, because France is a safe country and so there is no need at all for them to enter the UK to be safe. Yes, more remain in France than come to the UK, but as long as they haven't unreasonably delayed their journey then coming via France does not prevent them from claiming asylum in the UK. Even though France is a safe country. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 14:04:31 GMT
Under which regulation do you believe coming via France makes them ineligible? Most of our asylum seekers come via France, but yet get granted asylum, so you cannot be correct. I acknowledge your point on Albania, there is an issue here. I am not sure it's actually Asylum they are granted, if they come via France their application will more likely be a migrant status application and not Asylum, unless they can prove they have come directly from a country like Ukraine that is war torn, so losing their papers and Identities doesn't always pay off for them. If you are not referring to asylum seekers, can you provide some stats on the people that you are referring to? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 14:09:40 GMT
I am not sure it's actually Asylum they are granted, if they come via France their application will more likely be a migrant status application and not Asylum, unless they can prove they have come directly from a country like Ukraine that is war torn, so losing their papers and Identities doesn't always pay off for them. If you are not referring to asylum seekers, can you provide some stats on the people that you are referring to? You tell me ...
Who gets asylum in UK?
You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee. To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution. Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family)
If they arrive via a dinghy from France how can they claim Asylum?
They would have to produce evidence their life was in danger of persecution from France, by religion or racism.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 14:20:00 GMT
If you are not referring to asylum seekers, can you provide some stats on the people that you are referring to? You tell me ...
Who gets asylum in UK?
You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee. To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution. Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family)
If they arrive via a dinghy from France how can they claim Asylum?
They would have to produce evidence their life was in danger of persecution from France, by religion or racism.
I wonder if any of these bleading hearts with their faux concerns would put a roof over the head of one of these scrounging parasites in their own home?
I suggest if they do they should lock up their valuables and daughters and also warn those who live in the vacinity to take the same precautions..!
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 15:03:40 GMT
If you are not referring to asylum seekers, can you provide some stats on the people that you are referring to? You tell me ...
Who gets asylum in UK?
You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee. To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution. Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family)
If they arrive via a dinghy from France how can they claim Asylum?
They would have to produce evidence their life was in danger of persecution from France, by religion or racism.
But the rules that you have quoted don't say anything about how they arrive here, so I'm unsure as to why you think coming via France nullifies their claim? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 15:09:03 GMT
You tell me ...
Who gets asylum in UK?
You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee. To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution. Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family)
If they arrive via a dinghy from France how can they claim Asylum?
They would have to produce evidence their life was in danger of persecution from France, by religion or racism.
But the rules that you have quoted don't say anything about how they arrive here, so I'm unsure as to why you think coming via France nullifies their claim? It seems most of them come here ilegally in dighys and many with no ID. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 15:12:20 GMT
You tell me ...
Who gets asylum in UK?
You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee. To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution. Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family)
If they arrive via a dinghy from France how can they claim Asylum?
They would have to produce evidence their life was in danger of persecution from France, by religion or racism.
But the rules that you have quoted don't say anything about how they arrive here, so I'm unsure as to why you think coming via France nullifies their claim? I don't understand what it is you don't understand?
It doesn't matter if they arrive by trains, boats or planes, they have to demonstrate and prove that where they have arrived from let's say France, Ukraine, Albania or wherever, that they can't go back there for fear of persecution, and when they are blatantly arrived via a dinghy from France how can they say they are fleeing persecution?
What difference does it make by what mode of transport they arrive in the UK, it's not how they got here, it's where they have come from.
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 15:15:55 GMT
But the rules that you have quoted don't say anything about how they arrive here, so I'm unsure as to why you think coming via France nullifies their claim? It seems most of them come here ilegally in dighys and many with no ID. Exactly, and if they have no ID they should be instantly denied Asylum, because they can not prove what country they come from, so therefore they can't demonstrate they would face persecution if they went back. It's a loophole the government aren't using. Don't ask me why? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 15:19:11 GMT
It seems most of them come here ilegally in dighys and many with no ID. Exactly, and if they have no ID they should be instantly denied Asylum, because they can not prove what country they come from, so therefore they can't demonstrate they would face persecution if they went back. It's a loophole the government aren't using. Don't ask me why?It's a mystery to any normal thinking person. |
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