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Post by Vinny on Jul 27, 2023 13:46:13 GMT
People who bully, threaten death to gays, assault others for religious reasons, and kill in the name of Islam.
Is it time for the west to act to block the immigration of such people, and incarcerating people for terrorism offences if they start using religion as a weapon against others?
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Post by dappy on Jul 27, 2023 15:31:00 GMT
Do we not imprison people who commit terrorist offences?
Do we allow convicted terrorists to immigrate into our country or are you suggesting interning all people of islamic faith just in case?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 20:04:52 GMT
I think Vinny's question is how do we separate the sheep from the goats when they are all lined up clamouring for entry.
Is your solution that we should admit them all and 'fingers crossed' hope that it will sort itself out in the fullness of time? If in the meantime there is a bit of collateral damage in terms of victims of terrorist atrocities and general anxiety within society as a whole that's a small price to pay when set against the great benefits that diversity brings to society. Is that the calculus you are applying?
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Post by dappy on Jul 27, 2023 21:25:55 GMT
Surely if we are going to protect the public at all costs, we need to not only ban Islamic immigrants just in case they happen to be terrorists but also intern all the Muslims already here. You can’t be too careful after all.
And then of course right wing extremists terrorism is an increasing threat so we better ban immigration and intern all those with right wing views. After all a tiny percentage will otherwise commit terrorism
And what about men. Some men commit rape. So to be safe all men are going to have to be locked up too.
And what about those awful stories of mums neglecting and killing their young children. Mums = evil bastards. In the clink they go
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Post by Vinny on Jul 27, 2023 23:03:44 GMT
Lets start with those of fighting age who express hateful and murderous views towards homosexuals, blasphemers and political rivals.
Surveillance technologies exist.
There's such things as Interpol, MI5, and GCHQ.
There are tools to stop some threats.
But yes, it isn't easy, we have a "Prevent" programme, which the government itself says is not very effective and needs an overhaul.
There are no easy answers but there are some obvious threats.
I do not advocate the Chinese strategy of locking all Muslims up.
But doing nothing would lead to hundreds, possibly thousands of deaths.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 28, 2023 6:36:37 GMT
Surely if we are going to protect the public at all costs, we need to not only ban Islamic immigrants just in case they happen to be terrorists but also intern all the Muslims already here. You can’t be too careful after all. And then of course right wing extremists terrorism is an increasing threat so we better ban immigration and intern all those with right wing views. After all a tiny percentage will otherwise commit terrorism And what about men. Some men commit rape. So to be safe all men are going to have to be locked up too .And what about those awful stories of mums neglecting and killing their young children. Mums = evil bastards. In the clink they go Sex is a protected characteristic so you can't discriminate on that basis. Strangely religion is also a protected characteristic so you can't discriminate on the basis of faith. You CAN however discriminate on the basis of political belief so Right Wingers can be locked up - something you'll be very glad to hear dappy. In fact members of proscribed political parties can, and are, locked up. My personal opinion is that Islam should be removed from the list of accepted religions. After all there is no word in Arabic for "religion" as such - Islam is called a "din" which roughly translates to "way of life", and it includes stuff like laws and political views. However, this will never happen, of course, so the exclusion of muslims from the country has to involve some lateral thinking. Trump (and Obama) tried to do it by banning immigration from countries that sponsor terrorism - but was scuppered by the judiciary. Denmark are doing it by making life harder for ALL immigrants - like halving benefits etc. I prefer taking a legalistic approach to the muslim problem. I'd ban halal slaughter and ban the import of halal meat. I'd shut down mosques that preach terrorism. basically I'd ban all religious exemptions. That would work over time. There's no point in trying to separate the good muslims from the bad - it's impossible. They all believe the same thing and that's the Koran. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 28, 2023 6:43:28 GMT
My personal opinion is that Islam should be removed from the list of accepted religions. There's a LIST? And Scientology is still on it?! Lummee. Who knew? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 28, 2023 8:16:56 GMT
Yet again Wallappy (my shorthand collective term for the dynamic duo) fail to respond sensibly to questions raised about a serious issue. One has to resort to ludicrous whataboutery while the other relies on inane flippancy to avoid actually engaging with the issues as presented.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 28, 2023 8:17:25 GMT
I think the first people we should chuck in the internment camps are the whingers that scream and rant about the ‘human rights’ of those who would remove those rights.
Once we have done that we can stand back and have a look at those who want our laws customs and culture shifted to suit their agenda.
You want to cut your dick off put on a dress and call yourself a woman ? FINE. NO PROBLEM. This country has a proud history of accomodating wierdos and eccentrics who want to live life their way? But if you want to then compete and win the WOMENS 400m relay medley (and win) because you could only come 123rd in tbe men’s ? Piss Off
The UK has for a while now - quite a long while, like the best part of a century or so - ‘accomodated’ a sizeable number of followers if the cult of mohammedanism who actually want nothing more than to have a quiet life running a curry house or the like and i see bugger all difference between them and the italian POWs and internees who decided all they wanted was a quiet life running a coffee shop or hairdresser’s after america nuked japan.
The problem, and even the oh so almighty multiculturalists the BBC had to admit they were the problem after finding evidence they were during a spirited attempt to live with them and bullshit us that they weren’t, is a poisonous subset of the cult called the Deobandis. The BBC did a two part documentary on Radio 4 on them and were doing wonderfully at bullshitting us about their marvellous religion of peace all the way up to the point they found the ISIS recruiting leaflets and the rest of the stuff. THEY are the ones you need to deal with.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 28, 2023 8:27:51 GMT
"I think the first people we should chuck in the internment camps are the whingers that scream and rant about the ‘human rights’ of those who would remove those rights. "
You'll be thinking of the 'campaigners' screeching in outrage at the government's plan announced today to house the summer surge of illegal migrants in tents. Not just a violation of their human rights they say, but also reminiscent of WWII concentration camps.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 28, 2023 8:38:52 GMT
..fail to respond sensibly to questions raised about a serious issue. It's hardly a "serious" debate once someone starts talking about effectively banning an entire religion. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 28, 2023 8:44:23 GMT
You're at complete liberty to offer your own prescription. There's a full spectrum of options ranging from banning immigration from Muslim countries and positive vetting with potential expulsion of those already here to business as usual.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 28, 2023 10:07:44 GMT
You're at complete liberty to offer your own prescription. There's a full spectrum of options ranging from banning immigration from Muslim countries and positive vetting with potential expulsion of those already here to business as usual. There's even another option.. Stand by the laws that already exist. Terrorism, and the promotion of/incitement to, are already illegal. Certain groups, and the membership/promotion of, are already proscribed. There are laws to protect the LGBTQ community, and discrimination of every sort. I'd suggest applying the laws we have rather than knee-jerking a load of new ones. The last thing we need is another raft of legislation aimed at banning an entire religion, or sect thereof. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 28, 2023 10:18:32 GMT
"Stand by the laws that already exist"
Aka 'business as usual'.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 28, 2023 10:48:29 GMT
In other news, MI5 disclosed in 2020 that it had 43,000 individuals on its list of terrorist suspects. What to do, given it's said to require a team of ten to maintain round-the-clock surveillance on an individual suspect?
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