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Post by Handyman on Nov 8, 2022 16:00:19 GMT
What tactics should the Police use to stop these unlawful protests and acts of criminal damage to property and the disruption and distress caused by the Protesters The legal process won't amount to much so being arrested is all part of the game when there is media coverage. If it started to be treated like terrorism then people should think twice before using this platform to commit crimes. Obviously this won't happen, because it ties in with all the talk about renewable and greener energy. I think the Police and Crown Prosecution Service are fully aware of what in Law constitutes acts of Terrorism or not, you did state that the Police are doing little or nothing about these protesters, however the Met in London have already made well over 600 hundred arrests last time I checked and are making arrests almost every day, other Forces are also making arrests. I did ask you what Tactics the Police should use to deal with these people, but you made no comment on that, as for the Media they will report on what the protesters are doing, which is exactly what the protesters want |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:01:18 GMT
I agree that concern over immigration need not always be motivated by racism. But it is certainly an issue which does motivate racists, and it is these that the likes of Farage, Patel, and Braverman have been wilfully appealing to all too often. Prove it. It is logically obvious to anyone whose head is not up their arse. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:05:40 GMT
When racism is common sense we are on the road to a dystopia of hate, cheered on by the ignorant. Only the ignorant or fanatics would equate immigration control as racism. And no one has done that, including me. What I have done is point out that racist elements always feel the most strongly about immigration, not that concerns about immigration are inherently racist. Though they can be exploited by racists or unscrupulous politicians pandering to racist elements. If you cannot understand these nuances and differences, it is you who are struggling with logic. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 16:08:26 GMT
Terrorism is an act designed to cause terror.It does not have to be murderous, it does not have to cause injury or the destruction of property.All it has to do is terrify the people it is aimed at.It can be a letter, a threat, it can be an action that costs an individual or organisation or government a fortune.I do not condone terrorism.
Yet you openly addmitted going on EDl marches and supported the EDL on the now racist defunct BFD forum.
Dosent EDL Terrify the Muslim community it was aimed at
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Post by Vinny on Nov 8, 2022 16:12:54 GMT
As I say, a flawed policy that judged people by where they came from rather than what they can do. Freedom of movement is idealistic but it does not produce any obvious societal benefits over other immigration systems such as the Australian points system and has a few drawbacks. There was a freedom of movement serial killer a few years ago who carried out borders in multiple EU nations. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dariusz_KotwicaAnd you still haven't provided any evidence that UK Independence Party were racist to advocate the Aussie points system instead of it. One benefit of freedom of movement was that you or I had the integral right to live and work anywhere we wanted to within the EU. We could have lived and worked in Barcelona, Rome, Paris, or Berlin if we wanted to. We have now lost that right. Freedom of movement was a freedom for all EU nationals that we enjoyed too. We have now lost that freedom. You might regard the loss of our freedom a price worth paying to deny it to others. That is a point that may be argued. But it was a freedom that we enjoyed along with the rest of the EU, a freedom that we have now lost. I had nothing to offer foreign countries whose first language is not English, my foreign language skills are not good enough and quite frankly we do not teach foreign languages at an early enough age. By the time I studied French and Russian at school, I wasn't particularly great at either. And this lovely "right" that right cost Pawel Koseda his life. He came here with high hopes, ran out of money, ended up on the streets and was found dead in Kensington. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-homeless-man-was-found-impaled-on-a-spike-in-a-square-in-london-s-kensington-but-who-was-he-and-why-did-he-die-9981456.htmlCome down to Earth, in real life this system is hugely flawed. Points based immigration is better. People who have the skills to live and work in another country still can. Those who haven't aren't in danger of making the mistake. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2022 16:16:59 GMT
It is logically obvious to anyone whose head is not up their arse.
So you can't then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:48:44 GMT
It is logically obvious to anyone whose head is not up their arse.
So you can't then.
To talk of migrants as invaders is racist language. To talk of Romanians as disease carriers is racist language. And a policy of sending migrants back to Africa (Rwanda) is obvious pandering to racists. the evidence is inherent in the words and actions. And as for proving an opinion, can you prove I am wrong? Can you prove that Patel, Braverman, and Farage were not pandering to racists when their words and behaviour suggest otherwise? I'd like to see your evidence if you think you have any. I look forward in anticipation of comedy gold if you try. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:56:59 GMT
One benefit of freedom of movement was that you or I had the integral right to live and work anywhere we wanted to within the EU. We could have lived and worked in Barcelona, Rome, Paris, or Berlin if we wanted to. We have now lost that right. Freedom of movement was a freedom for all EU nationals that we enjoyed too. We have now lost that freedom. You might regard the loss of our freedom a price worth paying to deny it to others. That is a point that may be argued. But it was a freedom that we enjoyed along with the rest of the EU, a freedom that we have now lost. I had nothing to offer foreign countries whose first language is not English, my foreign language skills are not good enough and quite frankly we do not teach foreign languages at an early enough age. By the time I studied French and Russian at school, I wasn't particularly great at either. And this lovely "right" that right cost Pawel Koseda his life. He came here with high hopes, ran out of money, ended up on the streets and was found dead in Kensington. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-homeless-man-was-found-impaled-on-a-spike-in-a-square-in-london-s-kensington-but-who-was-he-and-why-did-he-die-9981456.htmlCome down to Earth, in real life this system is hugely flawed. Points based immigration is better. People who have the skills to live and work in another country still can. Those who haven't aren't in danger of making the mistake. I cannot read that link without registering, which I am not prepared to do. But one foreign born homeless man dies on the street? Of itself it proves nothing. We have thousands of our own home grown homeless on the streets, some of whom die there. It is not an excuse to restrict their freedoms. It is more often an indictment of our welfare and housing system. And are you really trying to say that freedom of movement should be restricted to the affluent and educated? A bit of a snobbish view isn't it? Freedom not being for the plebs who should be restricted for their own good? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2022 17:03:02 GMT
To talk of migrants as invaders is racist language. To talk of Romanians as disease carriers is racist language. And a policy of sending migrants back to Africa (Rwanda) is obvious pandering to racists. the evidence is inherent in the words and actions. And as for proving an opinion, can you prove I am wrong? Can you prove that Patel, Braverman, and Farage were not pandering to racists when their words and behaviour suggest otherwise? I'd like to see your evidence if you think you have any. I look forward in anticipation of comedy gold if you try.
It's not down to me to prove anything Shrieky. You need to own your own comments. And you have no evidence to support them.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 17:09:09 GMT
To be fair not all them that are against immigration or should I say mass immigration lol are racist.
But to go of certain members on this forum the majority are
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2022 17:15:03 GMT
To be fair, not all lefties are complete idiots but to go by certain members of this forum, the majority are.  |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 8, 2022 17:39:46 GMT
I had nothing to offer foreign countries whose first language is not English, my foreign language skills are not good enough and quite frankly we do not teach foreign languages at an early enough age. By the time I studied French and Russian at school, I wasn't particularly great at either. And this lovely "right" that right cost Pawel Koseda his life. He came here with high hopes, ran out of money, ended up on the streets and was found dead in Kensington. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-homeless-man-was-found-impaled-on-a-spike-in-a-square-in-london-s-kensington-but-who-was-he-and-why-did-he-die-9981456.htmlCome down to Earth, in real life this system is hugely flawed. Points based immigration is better. People who have the skills to live and work in another country still can. Those who haven't aren't in danger of making the mistake. I cannot read that link without registering, which I am not prepared to do. But one foreign born homeless man dies on the street? Of itself it proves nothing. We have thousands of our own home grown homeless on the streets, some of whom die there. It is not an excuse to restrict their freedoms. It is more often an indictment of our welfare and housing system. And are you really trying to say that freedom of movement should be restricted to the affluent and educated? A bit of a snobbish view isn't it? Freedom not being for the plebs who should be restricted for their own good? I knew an old alcoholic who lived on the street until the local council found him a flat in another council area to keep hem away from bad influences. Within a couple of weeks he was back in his old haunts whilst renting out the property he'd been place in; you just can't help some people. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 17:48:17 GMT
The legal process won't amount to much so being arrested is all part of the game when there is media coverage. If it started to be treated like terrorism then people should think twice before using this platform to commit crimes. Obviously this won't happen, because it ties in with all the talk about renewable and greener energy. I think the Police and Crown Prosecution Service are fully aware of what in Law constitutes acts of Terrorism or not, you did state that the Police are doing little or nothing about these protesters, however the Met in London have already made well over 600 hundred arrests last time I checked and are making arrests almost every day, other Forces are also making arrests. I did ask you what Tactics the Police should use to deal with these people, but you made no comment on that, as for the Media they will report on what the protesters are doing, which is exactly what the protesters want The police sat back, failed to close roads, ignored their job and watched it grow until members of the public started taking action against them. The law worked to their advantage and being arrested would have played into their hands, so the police took an observer position and took no action. It was in breach of public safety and not a right any protest has, so the police failed. Those who have now been arrested multiple times are straight back out there - their cause outweighs any future criminal record. A movement that relies on criminal activities were treated as a cute protest, and not the more obvious extremist movement that seeks to terrorise the public and businesses associated with oil, which could potentially be all of them. They're now threatening the country to meet their demands and claiming to be more determined to take further action when new laws, which are coming, and will obviously affect our civil liberties, are passed. Clearly the police and CPS wasn't dealing with just a protest if this is the result.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 17:53:36 GMT
To talk of migrants as invaders is racist language. To talk of Romanians as disease carriers is racist language. And a policy of sending migrants back to Africa (Rwanda) is obvious pandering to racists. the evidence is inherent in the words and actions. And as for proving an opinion, can you prove I am wrong? Can you prove that Patel, Braverman, and Farage were not pandering to racists when their words and behaviour suggest otherwise? I'd like to see your evidence if you think you have any. I look forward in anticipation of comedy gold if you try.
It's not down to me to prove anything Shrieky. You need to own your own comments. And you have no evidence to support them.
You have no evidence to disprove them. Because you cannot. I offered the evidence of the very language used and actions taken. I suspect that you yourself are halfway out of the closet as a closet racist with an agenda |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 18:07:25 GMT
Only the ignorant or fanatics would equate immigration control as racism. And no one has done that, including me. What I have done is point out that racist elements always feel the most strongly about immigration, not that concerns about immigration are inherently racist. Though they can be exploited by racists or unscrupulous politicians pandering to racist elements. If you cannot understand these nuances and differences, it is you who are struggling with logic. How on earth would you know what other people always feel? You're relying on conjecture based on your own subjective viewpoint, whilst mistaking it for reality. The vast majority of the country have consistently supported tighter immigration and for very good reasons, so even if a few racists supported it it's neither here nor there, especially since it's absolute lunacy to go the opposite way when we're heavily populated with finite resources. It doesn't target anyone specifically and doesn't advocate anything else. Logic does now equal your personal feelies.
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