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Post by Pacifico on Nov 8, 2022 18:11:34 GMT
To talk of migrants as invaders is racist language. To talk of Romanians as disease carriers is racist language. And a policy of sending migrants back to Africa (Rwanda) is obvious pandering to racists. the evidence is inherent in the words and actions.
And as for proving an opinion, can you prove I am wrong? Can you prove that Patel, Braverman, and Farage were not pandering to racists when their words and behaviour suggest otherwise? I'd like to see your evidence if you think you have any. I look forward in anticipation of comedy gold if you try. So when the Labour Party were proposing to send migrants back to Africa they were pandering to racists?.. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 8, 2022 18:18:23 GMT
To talk of migrants as invaders is racist language. To talk of Romanians as disease carriers is racist language. And a policy of sending migrants back to Africa (Rwanda) is obvious pandering to racists. the evidence is inherent in the words and actions.
And as for proving an opinion, can you prove I am wrong? Can you prove that Patel, Braverman, and Farage were not pandering to racists when their words and behaviour suggest otherwise? I'd like to see your evidence if you think you have any. I look forward in anticipation of comedy gold if you try. So when the Labour Party were proposing to send migrants back to Africa they were pandering to racists?.. Just one thing they are not migrants, they are illegal immigrants breaking the law to arrive. The use of migrants is purely for Westminster politics. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2022 18:29:02 GMT
It's not down to me to prove anything Shrieky. You need to own your own comments. And you have no evidence to support them.
You have no evidence to disprove them. Because you cannot. I offered the evidence of the very language used and actions taken. I suspect that you yourself are halfway out of the closet as a closet racist with an agenda
For which you also have no evidence beyond your own subjective opinions. Which, as usual, are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 19:36:35 GMT
And no one has done that, including me. What I have done is point out that racist elements always feel the most strongly about immigration, not that concerns about immigration are inherently racist. Though they can be exploited by racists or unscrupulous politicians pandering to racist elements. If you cannot understand these nuances and differences, it is you who are struggling with logic. How on earth would you know what other people always feel? You're relying on conjecture based on your own subjective viewpoint, whilst mistaking it for reality. The vast majority of the country have consistently supported tighter immigration and for very good reasons, so even if a few racists supported it it's neither here nor there, especially since it's absolute lunacy to go the opposite way when we're heavily populated with finite resources. It doesn't target anyone specifically and doesn't advocate anything else. Logic does now equal your personal feelies.
Having an issue with too much immigration is not of itself inherently racist. But racists invariably do have an issue with immigration. And there are more than just a few of them. They form a substantial minority |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 19:45:28 GMT
To talk of migrants as invaders is racist language. To talk of Romanians as disease carriers is racist language. And a policy of sending migrants back to Africa (Rwanda) is obvious pandering to racists. the evidence is inherent in the words and actions.
And as for proving an opinion, can you prove I am wrong? Can you prove that Patel, Braverman, and Farage were not pandering to racists when their words and behaviour suggest otherwise? I'd like to see your evidence if you think you have any. I look forward in anticipation of comedy gold if you try. So when the Labour Party were proposing to send migrants back to Africa they were pandering to racists?.. Probably. Because they are in pursuit of power for its own sake and don't care how or where they get the votes from to achieve it. There is no principle the typical Labour centrist won't shed for ministerial office. They are probably concerned about the Tories bouncing back with the support of the racist vote and want to keep some of it onside for themselves. At least that wouldn't surprise me. Remember, unlike you or most others around here, I was actually in the party and saw up close how the typical Blairite centrist types act, think, and behave. I have shared acrimonious meetings with some of them. They have no strong convictions they won't trade for power. The only thing they will never do in pursuit of power is risk upsetting the current establishment. So populist left leaning policies that might undo aspects of the thatcherite order are a definite no no. The establishment would never stand for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 19:49:27 GMT
You have no evidence to disprove them. Because you cannot. I offered the evidence of the very language used and actions taken. I suspect that you yourself are halfway out of the closet as a closet racist with an agenda
For which you also have no evidence beyond your own subjective opinions. Which, as usual, are wrong.
It is no surprise that you think my opinions are wrong since you are wrong about almost everything. But I offered the evidence of people's own words and actions as evidence. You have offered nothing to disprove any of it. C'est la vie |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2022 19:49:40 GMT
How on earth would you know what other people always feel? You're relying on conjecture based on your own subjective viewpoint, whilst mistaking it for reality. The vast majority of the country have consistently supported tighter immigration and for very good reasons, so even if a few racists supported it it's neither here nor there, especially since it's absolute lunacy to go the opposite way when we're heavily populated with finite resources. It doesn't target anyone specifically and doesn't advocate anything else. Logic does now equal your personal feelies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 19:56:48 GMT
So when the Labour Party were proposing to send migrants back to Africa they were pandering to racists?.. Just one thing they are not migrants, they are illegal immigrants breaking the law to arrive. The use of migrants is purely for Westminster politics. There is no legal entry for asylum seekers. But the right to seek asylum is enshrined in international law. And even if an asylum seeker enters a country by illegal means, once there they have the legal right to claim asylum regardless of that. There is thus no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker under international law. Regardless of how they arrived they all have the legal right to remain if claiming asylum until their claims have been assessed. If granted asylum, they can remain permanently. If refused, then - and only then - do they lose their right to stay in this country. The fact that so few are being processed is down to lack of resources due to government cuts. If you want to get more of these people out, we need to invest more resources into processing asylum claims. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 19:59:34 GMT
Having an issue with too much immigration is not of itself inherently racist. But racists invariably do have an issue with immigration. And there are more than just a few of them. They form a substantial minority Quite unlike your racist blinkers, when you fail to see racism anywhere even if expressing or defending it yourself. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2022 20:32:19 GMT
And please quote where I've done either of those.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 20:56:47 GMT
How on earth would you know what other people always feel? You're relying on conjecture based on your own subjective viewpoint, whilst mistaking it for reality. The vast majority of the country have consistently supported tighter immigration and for very good reasons, so even if a few racists supported it it's neither here nor there, especially since it's absolute lunacy to go the opposite way when we're heavily populated with finite resources. It doesn't target anyone specifically and doesn't advocate anything else. Logic does now equal your personal feelies.
Having an issue with too much immigration is not of itself inherently racist. But racists invariably do have an issue with immigration. And there are more than just a few of them. They form a substantial minority It isn't in anyway racist so your association is illogical. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 21:03:07 GMT
Having an issue with too much immigration is not of itself inherently racist. But racists invariably do have an issue with immigration. And there are more than just a few of them. They form a substantial minority It isn't in anyway racist so your association is illogical. *Rolls eyes*. Clearly you failed to understand what I actually said. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 21:08:08 GMT
It isn't in anyway racist so your association is illogical. *Rolls eyes*. Clearly you failed to understand what I actually said. While you're obviously making little sense, I did actually understand it enough to conclude that it was meaningless, like associating fish and chips with racists because you believe it's their favourite food. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 21:11:45 GMT
And please quote where I've done either of those. I have less boring and unrewarding tasks to occupy my time than the brain numbing task of trawling all your posts for quotes. Faced with a choice between spending significant time wholly devoted to your inane mutterings, and shitting in my hands and clapping, I think shitty fingers would be the lesser evil. I have however pointed out the racist language of both Farage and Braverman and their racist actions. You ignore it and would probably defend both. Indeed one of them is such a hero of yours that you have chosen him to be the penis on your avatar. If it looks like a racist, acts like a racist and chooses a racist as an avatar, chances are it's a racist. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 21:17:40 GMT
*Rolls eyes*. Clearly you failed to understand what I actually said. While you're obviously making little sense, I did actually understand it enough to conclude that it was meaningless, like associating fish and chips with racists because you believe it's their favourite food. Meaning you lacked the intelligence to actually understand a simple point. I will spell it out again. Please try thinking a little harder. It is not inherently racist to be concerned about immigration. But all actual racists - and there are many - do feel strongly about immigration. I will put it even more simply for you. Whilst far from everyone who is concerned about immigration is a racist, almost all racists are concerned about immigration. Are you actually capable of understanding the point now? |
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