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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 22:19:08 GMT
Get a grip ffs Monte, how do you think we fed ourselves during and after WW2? That's right, we grew food, we reared animals for food, we had a fishing fleet. It was common for people to grow their own vegetables, as were allotments. These days people would starve if supermarkets and McDonalds closed for more than a few days. Atlantic convoys mostly. We were importing about 2/3rds of our food during WWII. In that case, it's not quite as bad as I imagined. In 2020 we imported 46% of the food we consumed. Still, considering we are an island nation and 70% of the UK is farmland, 46% is huge. We could do better, and at some point we may have to. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 22:25:21 GMT
Atlantic convoys mostly. We were importing about 2/3rds of our food during WWII. In that case, it's not quite as bad as I imagined. In 2020 we imported 46% of the food we consumed. Still, considering we are an island nation and 70% of the UK is farmland, 46% is huge. We could do better, and at some point we may have to. We are currently around 60% self sufficient in food. We could get to 100% simply by reducing meat consumption to once a week. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 22:33:10 GMT
Get a grip ffs Monte, how do you think we fed ourselves during and after WW2? That's right, we grew food, we reared animals for food, we had a fishing fleet. It was common for people to grow their own vegetables, as were allotments. These days people would starve if supermarkets and McDonalds closed for more than a few days. Are you peddling that Britain won the war bollocks? It was rationed up to its eyeballs with food imported from round he globe at great risk to its merchant navy and allied mariners. Britainwas luckyit was on the winning side. After all, your previously favourite news’s source before GB News fouled the airwaves, was the German-loving Mail… You are typical of the antipathy shown by ungrateful lefties who have no idea, dare I say care, of the sacrifices made by previous generations in order to ensure you have the freedom to gob off. And for your information, Great Britain was not on the winning side. Great Britain was the winning side. For the US WW2 was 1942 to 1945. They caught the second half. Which is better than they did for WW1 which for the US was 1917 to 1918. You can bend over a chair and get your boyfriend to shove your anti Great Britain sentiment where the sun don't shine. If you don't like this country you're welcome to fuck off. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 22:38:06 GMT
In that case, it's not quite as bad as I imagined. In 2020 we imported 46% of the food we consumed. Still, considering we are an island nation and 70% of the UK is farmland, 46% is huge. We could do better, and at some point we may have to. We are currently around 60% self sufficient in food. We could get to 100% simply by reducing meat consumption to once a week. Why? What is it with reducing meat consumption? Ahh, has this got something to do with animals grazing on land that could be used for growing crops? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 22:44:24 GMT
We are currently around 60% self sufficient in food. We could get to 100% simply by reducing meat consumption to once a week. Why? What is it with reducing meat consumption? Ahh, has this got something to do with animals grazing on land that could be used for growing crops? It has everything to do with that. The good news is you can eat as many insect burgers as you want. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2023 22:48:07 GMT
Are you peddling that Britain won the war bollocks? It was rationed up to its eyeballs with food imported from round he globe at great risk to its merchant navy and allied mariners. Britainwas luckyit was on the winning side. After all, your previously favourite news’s source before GB News fouled the airwaves, was the German-loving Mail… You are typical of the antipathy shown by ungrateful lefties who have no idea, dare I say care, of the sacrifices made by previous generations in order to ensure you have the freedom to gob off. And for your information, Great Britain was not on the winning side. Great Britain was the winning side. For the US WW2 was 1942 to 1945. They caught the second half. Which is better than they did for WW1 which for the US was 1917 to 1918. You can bend over a chair and get your boyfriend to shove your anti Great Britain sentiment where the sun don't shine. If you don't like this country you're welcome to fuck off. 8 What bollocks. Before Japan brought the US directly into the conflict, the U.K. was reduced to having its half US prime minister pleading for help. Britain had lost and half its government was seeking an accommodation with Germany. Without Commonwealth/Empire troops Britain would have sunk long before the US intervened. The trouble with your view of the U.K. and its place in the world today, is that it’s based half on romantic history and half on myth — even if your own military experience is occupying a defeated, but rapidly industrialising Germany, which was using its meagre Marshall Aid wisely, and socking the bejesus out of a few unruly Paddies.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 22:51:43 GMT
Why? What is it with reducing meat consumption? Ahh, has this got something to do with animals grazing on land that could be used for growing crops? It has everything to do with that. The good news is you can eat as many insect burgers as you want. A lot of grazing land is not suitable for growing crops. As for insect burgers, I dont eat insects or burgers. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 23:51:23 GMT
It has everything to do with that. The good news is you can eat as many insect burgers as you want. A lot of grazing land is not suitable for growing crops. As for insect burgers, I dont eat insects or burgers. It's not the grazing land that uses up the land we could use for crops for humans. It's the land we use to grow crops for animals. 40% of our most productive farmland. Cattle, for example, only spend about half the year outside grazing. The other half they spend in the winter cowsheds eating hay, cereals and other high protein feeds. Which all takes good land to grow. Sheep on the other hand stay out all year and only need minimum feeds to supplement the poor quality winter grazing. This is a hundred acre farm. There are about 10 beef cattle. They take around 30 acres of land for grazing and hay production and also eat some of the wheat and oats we grow to add protein to their winter hay. 5 acres are hedgerows and ponds. These are excellent for wildlife but totally unproductive in terms of farm income (although the biodiversity they support does take some part in pest control and they do attract country stewardship grants). The 65 acres left include farm tracks, sheds buildings etc so we'll say 60 left for crops. About 5 acres is white beans which go to Egypt for human consumption (falafel mostly) and the rest is wheat, oats and barley. Almost all of which sells for animal feed. So out of 100 acres we get about 5 acres of beans and 2 or 3 cows which go to slaughter each year for human consumption and the rest is for beasts. Oh and there's a few hens producing about half a dozen eggs a day until they stop laying for a few months over winter. The only thing that really makes any money is the thatching straw and the summer camps (dance camp is here now and we have the jugglers, drum camp, the buddhists and the Quakers). Actually since the war in Ukraine shot wheat prices up that makes a profit now but previously the wheat didn't do much more than pay the high labour costs of threshing the thatching straw. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 29, 2023 0:20:10 GMT
A lot of grazing land is not suitable for growing crops. As for insect burgers, I dont eat insects or burgers. It's not the grazing land that uses up the land we could use for crops for humans. It's the land we use to grow crops for animals. 40% of our most productive farmland. Cattle, for example, only spend about half the year outside grazing. The other half they spend in the winter cowsheds eating hay, cereals and other high protein feeds. Which all takes good land to grow. Sheep on the other hand stay out all year and only need minimum feeds to supplement the poor quality winter grazing. This is a hundred acre farm. There are about 10 beef cattle. They take around 30 acres of land for grazing and hay production and also eat some of the wheat and oats we grow to add protein to their winter hay. 5 acres are hedgerows and ponds. These are excellent for wildlife but totally unproductive in terms of farm income (although the biodiversity they support does take some part in pest control and they do attract country stewardship grants). The 65 acres left include farm tracks, sheds buildings etc so we'll say 60 left for crops. About 5 acres is white beans which go to Egypt for human consumption (falafel mostly) and the rest is wheat, oats and barley. Almost all of which sells for animal feed. So out of 100 acres we get about 5 acres of beans and 2 or 3 cows which go to slaughter each year for human consumption and the rest is for beasts. Oh and there's a few hens producing about half a dozen eggs a day until they stop laying for a few months over winter. The only thing that really makes any money is the thatching straw and the summer camps (dance camp is here now and we have the jugglers, drum camp, the buddhists and the Quakers). Actually since the war in Ukraine shot wheat prices up that makes a profit now but previously the wheat didn't do much more than pay the high labour costs of threshing the thatching straw. I'm no expert, but I remember a bit about it. My uncle & aunt were farmers, dairy farmers. They had about 150 Friesians and a few others, two or three Jerseys to add cream, it pushed the price of milk up. But I have to say Monte their cattle didn't spend anywhere near six months of the year indoors eating silage yes silage was expensive, but unless it was a particularly bad winter, 1963/64 springs to mind, a month or two at most was the norm. I don't know how many acres the farm was, six fields, of course that means nothing. The top two fields were huge, the lower fields were smaller. As it happens, it's not a farm any more. The land was sold off and the new owner converted the outbuildings to holiday lets. Bloody sad but there you go. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 0:35:13 GMT
There are a couple of good reasons you have to over winter your cattle inside.
First the grass stops growing and is of poor nutritional value and second the cattle will churn up your pastures when they are soft with winter rain and will need reseeding in spring which is expensive. Maybe your Uncle had good draining land unlike here where it is flat and has only about 8 inches of soil on top of clay which prevents the rain soaking away.
I'd be very surprised if it was only 2 months a year his herd was inside though. More like 4 or 5 and they would have eaten mostly silage in autumn and spring as the grass wouldn't have been enough to produce much milk from.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 29, 2023 1:23:56 GMT
There are a couple of good reasons you have to over winter your cattle inside. First the grass stops growing and is of poor nutritional value and second the cattle will churn up your pastures when they are soft with winter rain and will need reseeding in spring which is expensive. Maybe your Uncle had good draining land unlike here where it is flat and has only about 8 inches of soil on top of clay which prevents the rain soaking away. I'd be very surprised if it was only 2 months a year his herd was inside though. More like 4 or 5 and they would have eaten mostly silage in autumn and spring as the grass wouldn't have been enough to produce much milk from. The farm was on the side of a valley, the bottom field was more or less useless, good for mushrooms aunty Jan was an expert, and the stream was always an attraction for us kids, but the bottom field wasn't much good for anything. I'm not a farmer (No honestly) I cant remember how the farm was run, I'm going back a long time. I'm glad I never went into farming, and I could have. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2023 6:48:34 GMT
That is the whole point of Net Zero. You wont be buying as much 'stuff', you wont be going on holidays to foreign lands, you will be restricted to your 15 minute neighbourhood and will need a permit to leave if you have a car.. It's Green Party nirvana... 15 minute neighbourhoods are about reducing the need to travel for more than 15 mins not taking away your ability/right to do so. That's Dubs level paranoia you are exhibiting there or just plain old fake news you are exploiting to discredit any green initiatives put forward. nothing fake about it - the plan was to give a limited number of permits each to restrict the times you could leave your neighborhood. don't you know what you are voting for? Residents will also be able to apply for permits to drive through filters and into other neighbourhoods for up to 100 days a year |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 29, 2023 7:24:28 GMT
Of course he knows what he’s voting for,a pipe dream with lentils an insect for breakfast and an open door for anyone that wants to rock up here and sit around a camp fire heat pump singing songs being held hostage in our zones whilst the rich and infamous will face no such iniquities.  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 10:18:57 GMT
Jordan Peterson and Katie Hopkins rabble rousing. The far right mob dutifully gathering their pitchforks in support of their latest version of the great reset conspiracy theory. ''The City Council has received death threats and online abuse as a result of the inaccurate claims regarding the proposal.'' ''Peterson’s labelling of the 15-minute city zones as part of a ‘well-documented plan’ has been linked to debunked conspiracy theories regarding a ‘great reset’, which claim that elites and groups like the World Economic Forum, which convened in Davos, Switzerland from January the 16th to the 20th, aim to take away basic rights from citizens in the new post-COVID world.'' Thanks for the link LOL. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 29, 2023 10:29:27 GMT
Another 'debunked conspiracy theory' to put in the same binned category as 'covid could have artificial origins'
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