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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 20:48:01 GMT
You are obviously of the opinion that the largest economy in the world is not an advanced civilised country. I’m surprised you had enough nous to work that out… Conversely, I'm not in the least surprised you got it wrong. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 20:49:21 GMT
Doesn’t the economy depend on building and buying new stuff? Totally agree that the cost of living crisis is a barrier, but doesn't doing nothing lead to stagnation? That is the whole point of Net Zero. You wont be buying as much 'stuff', you wont be going on holidays to foreign lands, you will be restricted to your 15 minute neighbourhood and will need a permit to leave if you have a car.. It's Green Party nirvana... 15 minute neighbourhoods are about reducing the need to travel for more than 15 mins not taking away your ability/right to do so. That's Dubs level paranoia you are exhibiting there or just plain old fake news you are exploiting to discredit any green initiatives put forward. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 20:59:55 GMT
Yes we do they just haven’t built new reservoirs,only 8% of the UK is urbanised. Have you seen kielder water? built to serve the industry that never came but shrank thanks to Maggie. We have plenty of water just don’t collect enough. That the choice of the people - so given that the people do not want more reservoirs importing millions more is not to go do anything but cause water shortages.. Abandoning net zero is going to bring a shit load more migrants as more of the world becomes unlivable. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 21:02:38 GMT
I know what you are saying wapentake , but the argument only 8% of the uk is urbanised is a false and misleading argument. Im a member of a weather forum , and i mind reading( will try find the link) that on a global scale , humanity needs a large amount of the earth non urbanised to be able to live , for water food etc.
There was actually a scientific formula to calculate this. So while only 8 % of the uk is urbanised , another few ways of looking at it would be for example England makes up 40 % of the land of these islands , but has nearly 80 % of the popualtion. England could fit inside france 5 times over , but has a popualtion similar.
On top of that , there is more water in loch ness than in the whole of England and wales combined.
The uk hasnt been able to grow enough food to feed itself for hundreds of years.
So its not just a problem of lack of building more reservoirs , and the nimbyism in your back yards , but england does have an overpopualtion problem with no government willing to tackle it. The estimated popualtion what england should have is around 20 million , but instead is around 55 million.
The westmisnter government cant keep growing the uk/english popualtion indefinetly without the resources and infrastructure to manage it. We saw that problem during the new labour and blair years , where new labour were correct that mass migration and the taxes they paid supported labours treasurey , but on the flip side with a lack of major investment in things like reservoirs , school places , roads etc , we all saw the problem the millions of people coming here caused.
Even so Thomas taking England on its own only10.6% is urbanised,we could be near self sufficient in food if they tried and not covering it with solar panels or paid not to use it. To Pacifico I’m not advocating increasing the population but we do have the water resources if we care to utilise it. I keep saying how to become more self sufficient in food but none of you are prepared to eat less meat or start eating insects instead. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 28, 2023 21:09:16 GMT
Even so Thomas taking England on its own only10.6% is urbanised,we could be near self sufficient in food if they tried and not covering it with solar panels or paid not to use it. To Pacifico I’m not advocating increasing the population but we do have the water resources if we care to utilise it. I keep saying how to become more self sufficient in food but none of you are prepared to eat less meat or start eating insects instead. Monte I like my sirloin,fillet,pork,lamb,salmon and trout. I don’t want or need an insect burger,the whole animal farting is a false premise |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 21:16:53 GMT
Something similar was mentioned on GB News this afternoon. Essentially, if the Chinese aren't on board, and clearly they're not, then net zero is absolutely pointless. All it will do is make us poorer. At this point someone usually jumps in and says - 'but China are world leaders in green energy' (lol) China burns more coal than any country on earth, they have more coal power stations than any country on earth, and they have committed to cut the number of new build coal power stations to two a month until 2030. China is committed to coal. They also manufacture more than any country and sell it to all the countries who won't accept responsibility for their share of China's pollution. We go through this dance every time Red. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 21:22:45 GMT
I keep saying how to become more self sufficient in food but none of you are prepared to eat less meat or start eating insects instead. Monte I like my sirloin,fillet,pork,lamb,salmon and trout. I don’t want or need an insect burger,the whole animal farting is a false premise We're talking about self sufficiency in food. 40% of our most productive farmland goes to feeding livestock instead of humans. That's not taking into account the feed we import to feed our animals. Even your salmon and trout is farmed and needs feed. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 21:28:41 GMT
Even so Thomas taking England on its own only10.6% is urbanised,we could be near self sufficient in food if they tried and not covering it with solar panels or paid not to use it. To Pacifico I’m not advocating increasing the population but we do have the water resources if we care to utilise it. I keep saying how to become more self sufficient in food but none of you are prepared to eat less meat or start eating insects instead. Until recently this country this island nation had a history of being self sufficient, we have always been a nation of farmers and fishermen. That was fucked up by the EEC/EU and of course the connivance of successive British governments who imposed the common agricultural policy and common fisheries policy which to our expense heavily favoured foreign farmers and fishermen. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 28, 2023 21:47:56 GMT
Monte I like my sirloin,fillet,pork,lamb,salmon and trout. I don’t want or need an insect burger,the whole animal farting is a false premise We're talking about self sufficiency in food. 40% of our most productive farmland goes to feeding livestock instead of humans. That's not taking into account the feed we import to feed our animals. Even your salmon and trout is farmed and needs feed. So what we are 96% self sufficient in milk and dairy and 86% in beef so it’s value for the land utilised. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 21:50:41 GMT
I keep saying how to become more self sufficient in food but none of you are prepared to eat less meat or start eating insects instead. Until recently this country this island nation had a history of being self sufficient, we have always been a nation of farmers and fishermen. That was fucked up by the EEC/EU and of course the connivance of successive British governments who imposed the common agricultural policy and common fisheries policy which to our expense heavily favoured foreign farmers and fishermen. The 18th century is recently to you? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 21:55:23 GMT
We're talking about self sufficiency in food. 40% of our most productive farmland goes to feeding livestock instead of humans. That's not taking into account the feed we import to feed our animals. Even your salmon and trout is farmed and needs feed. So what we are 96% self sufficient in milk and dairy and 86% in beef so it’s value for the land utilised. Can we ever be self sufficient in food in the UK? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 22:02:43 GMT
Until recently this country this island nation had a history of being self sufficient, we have always been a nation of farmers and fishermen. That was fucked up by the EEC/EU and of course the connivance of successive British governments who imposed the common agricultural policy and common fisheries policy which to our expense heavily favoured foreign farmers and fishermen. The 18th century is recently to you? Get a grip ffs Monte, how do you think we fed ourselves during and after WW2? That's right, we grew food, we reared animals for food, we had a fishing fleet. It was common for people to grow their own vegetables, as were allotments. These days people would starve if supermarkets and McDonalds closed for more than a few days. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 28, 2023 22:03:11 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 22:07:58 GMT
The 18th century is recently to you? Get a grip ffs Monte, how do you think we fed ourselves during and after WW2? That's right, we grew food, we reared animals for food, we had a fishing fleet. It was common for people to grow their own vegetables, as were allotments. These days people would starve if supermarkets and McDonalds closed for more than a few days. Atlantic convoys mostly. We were importing about 2/3rds of our food during WWII. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2023 22:14:24 GMT
The 18th century is recently to you? Get a grip ffs Monte, how do you think we fed ourselves during and after WW2? That's right, we grew food, we reared animals for food, we had a fishing fleet. It was common for people to grow their own vegetables, as were allotments. These days people would starve if supermarkets and McDonalds closed for more than a few days. Are you peddling that Britain won the war bollocks? It was rationed up to its eyeballs with food imported from round he globe at great risk to its merchant navy and allied mariners. Britain was lucky it was on the winning side. After all, your previously favourite news source before GB News fouled the airwaves, was the German-loving Mail… |
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