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Post by zanygame on Jul 22, 2023 15:24:39 GMT
We said the same about Assad, but by then our governments were to frit to get involved. That war turned out SO much better for us not interfering. its amazing the foreign politicians and countries the uk will be friends with when it suits ,and turn a blind eye , or castigate for crimes when it doesnt . Politics is like that and you can't fix everything, but cases like Saddam are beyond acceptance or any blind eye. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 22, 2023 15:25:38 GMT
Hans Blix was just one person, who actually led the United Nations Monitoring, Verification & Inspection Unit, all we do know for certain is that Saddam Hussain DID HAVE weapons of mass destruction, because he had used them on his own people. But whether or not he had WMD immediately prior to the invasion of Iraq is to me, irrelevant.So you don't care that the government lied to you about the reasons for the war?   |
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Post by thomas on Jul 22, 2023 15:26:56 GMT
i dont often agree with b4 , but i do agree with what he is implying. Blairs victory in 1997 wasnt some massive win against all the odds , i could have won against a tory party burnt out after 18 long years of rule , scandal and infighting. He only had to turn up on the day , and win , and did.
The point b4 is making is that after his 1997 victory ( not sure why pat is mentioning pre 1997) within months the press and public were slowly turning against blairs policies , hence the bubble bursting quickly.
Blair’s victories, then, weren’t some miraculous achievement against the odds, and nor were they done on a conspicuously right-wing policy programme. New Labour also enjoyed the huge advantage of competing against a Conservative party that was still a broken shambles for almost all of Blair’s reign. When David Cameron took over the leadership in December 2005, armed as he was with only the most modest sprinkling of competence and charisma, the writing was on the wall.
It’s perhaps worth noting, though, that the New Labour honeymoon was much shorter than that. Blair managed to lose almost 3m votes even by 2001, two years BEFORE the Iraq misadventure. It seems reasonable to speculate that at least a good many of them were left-wing voters disillusioned that the Labour government they thought they’d voted for was a little less left than advertised – they certainly didn’t go to the Tories or Lib Dems, whose votes in 2001 were both even lower than 1997.
(The NME, still a politically-focused and influential paper at the time, had by March 1998 already run a famous “EVER HAD THE FEELING YOU’VE BEEN CHEATED?” front cover in protest at welfare and education policies, and the “Cool Britannia” coterie of Britpop bands who’d supported Blair were queueing up to castigate him.)
Well I remember it differently. I remember years of stable economy and gentle growth that enabled me to develop my business without soaring interest rates and topsy turvy markets. Voting for New Labour was a given and what the Tories were doing was of no significance. no shit sherlock. The point isnt what you remember , but the validity of someone saying new labours bubble burst quickly.
If the majority of the public agreed with your view of some sort of nirvana of existence under the last labour government , then they wouldnt have been out of power in scotland 16 years , or in england at westmisnter 13 years respectively.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 22, 2023 15:32:31 GMT
Hans Blix was just one person, who actually led the United Nations Monitoring, Verification & Inspection Unit, all we do know for certain is that Saddam Hussain DID HAVE weapons of mass destruction, because he had used them on his own people. But whether or not he had WMD immediately prior to the invasion of Iraq is to me, irrelevant.So you don't care that the government lied to you about the reasons for the war? That was the newspapers not the government. It was a supposition first muted by The sun. We knew Saddam had chemical weapons as he had already killed over 5,000 people with them. But there were rumours he had built a super gun that could reach Cyprus. The Express went one further and stated "The West" instead of Cyprus and this was assumed to mean the UK or America. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 22, 2023 15:33:27 GMT
its amazing the foreign politicians and countries the uk will be friends with when it suits ,and turn a blind eye , or castigate for crimes when it doesnt . Politics is like that and you can't fix everything, but cases like Saddam are beyond acceptance or any blind eye. so its blind eye when it suits to the behaviour of say the saudi or israelis for example , but not when you say saddam or gaddafi bad.?
I tell you zany , you new labour supporters are too fast for us mere mortals regarding politics. I will of course be voting against new labour at each and every upcoming election as i have done for years.
Neither you , new labour or the uk political elite are judge and jury of countries and international figures. Washington sets uk foreign policy of course , as we saw under blair and many others , they say jump , you say how high , they say this man bad , you comply.
By the way ,when is the moral superpower that is the uk handing back the chagos islands and complying with the un resolution ?
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 22, 2023 16:07:40 GMT
So you don't care that the government lied to you about the reasons for the war? That was the newspapers not the government. It was a supposition first muted by The sun. We knew Saddam had chemical weapons as he had already killed over 5,000 people with them. But there were rumours he had built a super gun that could reach Cyprus. The Express went one further and stated "The West" instead of Cyprus and this was assumed to mean the UK or America. The 45 minute claim and Cyprus being within range were both claims in the dodgy dossier from Sept 2002 No supposition about it... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 22, 2023 16:28:23 GMT
So you don't care that the government lied to you about the reasons for the war? That was the newspapers not the government. It was a supposition first muted by The sun. We knew Saddam had chemical weapons as he had already killed over 5,000 people with them. But there were rumours he had built a super gun that could reach Cyprus. The Express went one further and stated "The West" instead of Cyprus and this was assumed to mean the UK or America. Fact finder
Did Iran ever have weapons of mass destruction?
Iran is not known to currently possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and has signed treaties repudiating the possession of WMDs including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Who has used weapons of mass destruction?
The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Did the CIA help Saddam Hussein?
More than 60 US Defense Intelligence Agency officers provided combat planning assistance, and the US also provided battlefield intelligence including satellite pictures to Saddam Hussein's military.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 18:00:12 GMT
That was the newspapers not the government. It was a supposition first muted by The sun. We knew Saddam had chemical weapons as he had already killed over 5,000 people with them. But there were rumours he had built a super gun that could reach Cyprus. The Express went one further and stated "The West" instead of Cyprus and this was assumed to mean the UK or America. Fact finder
Did Iran ever have weapons of mass destruction?
Iran is not known to currently possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and has signed treaties repudiating the possession of WMDs including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Who has used weapons of mass destruction?
The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Did the CIA help Saddam Hussein?
More than 60 US Defense Intelligence Agency officers provided combat planning assistance, and the US also provided battlefield intelligence including satellite pictures to Saddam Hussein's military.
Weapons of Mass Destruction are any Chemical, Nuclear or Biological weapon which can inflict significant harm to numerous persons at one time, or cause significant damage. So WMD are not limited to Nuclear Weapons In violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the Iraqi Army initiated two failed (1970–1974, 1974–1978) and one successful (1978–1991) offensive chemical weapons (CW) programs. President Saddam Hussein (1937–2006) pursued the most extensive chemical program during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), when he waged chemical warfare against his foe. He also used chemicals in 1988 in the Al-Anfal Campaign against his civilian Kurdish population and during a popular uprising in the south in 1991. People continualy talk about "dodgy dossiers and lies", but the FACT is that Saddam Hussain had a history of developing and using Weapons of Mass Destruction. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 22, 2023 18:15:45 GMT
Fact finder
Did Iran ever have weapons of mass destruction?
Iran is not known to currently possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and has signed treaties repudiating the possession of WMDs including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Who has used weapons of mass destruction?
The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Did the CIA help Saddam Hussein?
More than 60 US Defense Intelligence Agency officers provided combat planning assistance, and the US also provided battlefield intelligence including satellite pictures to Saddam Hussein's military.
Weapons of Mass Destruction are any Chemical, Nuclear or Biological weapon which can inflict significant harm to numerous persons at one time, or cause significant damage. So WMD are not limited to Nuclear Weapons In violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the Iraqi Army initiated two failed (1970–1974, 1974–1978) and one successful (1978–1991) offensive chemical weapons (CW) programs. President Saddam Hussein (1937–2006) pursued the most extensive chemical program during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), when he waged chemical warfare against his foe. He also used chemicals in 1988 in the Al-Anfal Campaign against his civilian Kurdish population and during a popular uprising in the south in 1991. People continualy talk about "dodgy dossiers and lies", but the FACT is that Saddam Hussain had a history of developing and using Weapons of Mass Destruction. Who has used weapons of mass destruction? The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Case closed ^^
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Post by sheepy on Jul 22, 2023 18:15:55 GMT
Fact finder
Did Iran ever have weapons of mass destruction?
Iran is not known to currently possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and has signed treaties repudiating the possession of WMDs including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Who has used weapons of mass destruction?
The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Did the CIA help Saddam Hussein?
More than 60 US Defense Intelligence Agency officers provided combat planning assistance, and the US also provided battlefield intelligence including satellite pictures to Saddam Hussein's military.
Weapons of Mass Destruction are any Chemical, Nuclear or Biological weapon which can inflict significant harm to numerous persons at one time, or cause significant damage. So WMD are not limited to Nuclear Weapons In violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the Iraqi Army initiated two failed (1970–1974, 1974–1978) and one successful (1978–1991) offensive chemical weapons (CW) programs. President Saddam Hussein (1937–2006) pursued the most extensive chemical program during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), when he waged chemical warfare against his foe. He also used chemicals in 1988 in the Al-Anfal Campaign against his civilian Kurdish population and during a popular uprising in the south in 1991. People continualy talk about "dodgy dossiers and lies", but the FACT is that Saddam Hussain had a history of developing and using Weapons of Mass Destruction. Which somehow makes it fine to lie and create a war from thin air in the Middle East using a very dodgy dossier.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 18:38:51 GMT
Weapons of Mass Destruction are any Chemical, Nuclear or Biological weapon which can inflict significant harm to numerous persons at one time, or cause significant damage. So WMD are not limited to Nuclear Weapons In violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the Iraqi Army initiated two failed (1970–1974, 1974–1978) and one successful (1978–1991) offensive chemical weapons (CW) programs. President Saddam Hussein (1937–2006) pursued the most extensive chemical program during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), when he waged chemical warfare against his foe. He also used chemicals in 1988 in the Al-Anfal Campaign against his civilian Kurdish population and during a popular uprising in the south in 1991. People continualy talk about "dodgy dossiers and lies", but the FACT is that Saddam Hussain had a history of developing and using Weapons of Mass Destruction. Who has used weapons of mass destruction? The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Case closed ^^
You are not reading the post properly Weapons Of Mass Destruction - are Nuclear, Biological or CHEMICAL weapons which are capable of inflicting significant harm or death upon multiple persons at one time.The Evening Of March 16th 1988 in the Iraqi town of Halabja Iraqi Mig and Mirage aircraft began dropping chemical bombs on Halabja's residential areas. According to regional Kurdish rebel commanders, Iraqi aircraft, coordinated by helicopters, conducted up to 14 bombings in sorties of seven to eight planes each. Eyewitnesses told of clouds of white, black and then yellow smoke billowing upward and rising as a column about 150 feet (50 m) in the air. The CHEMICAL ATTACK by Iraqi Forces instantly killed an estimated 5,000 people, the after effects are still felt to this day with birth defects, illness and disabled and deformed limbs and persons. Iraq also used WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION upon Iran in the Iran-Iraq War and against the Marsh Arabs |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 22, 2023 18:49:21 GMT
And were these alleged 20,000 litres of pre- agent ever found? Because frankly I struggle to believe anything that Hans Blix comes out with. They weren't found but then Iraq is 170,000 Sq miles and 20,000ltrs fits in a single fuel tanker. But will happily kill a million people. It wasn't just Blix, there was a whole team out there. Thought not. Blix is a charlatan who spent years "inspecting" weapons that didn't exist. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 22, 2023 18:55:38 GMT
Who has used weapons of mass destruction? The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Case closed ^^
You are not reading the post properly Weapons Of Mass Destruction - are Nuclear, Biological or CHEMICAL weapons which are capable of inflicting significant harm or death upon multiple persons at one time.The Evening Of March 16th 1888 in the Iraqi town of Halabja Iraqi Mig and Mirage aircraft began dropping chemical bombs on Halabja's residential areas. According to regional Kurdish rebel commanders, Iraqi aircraft, coordinated by helicopters, conducted up to 14 bombings in sorties of seven to eight planes each. Eyewitnesses told of clouds of white, black and then yellow smoke billowing upward and rising as a column about 150 feet (50 m) in the air. The CHEMICAL ATTACK by Iraqi Forces instantly killed an estimated 5,000 people, the after effects are still felt to this day with birth defects, illness and disabled and deformed limbs and persons. Iraq also used WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION upon Iran in the Iran-Iraq War and against the Marsh Arabs No, YOU are not reading the 'facts' properly.
The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Google it..
The United States are the only country GUILTY of using WMD, be it, chemical, nuclear, or by any other means.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 19:08:24 GMT
OXFORD DICTIONARY
weapon of mass destruction
noun
1.
a nuclear, biological, or chemical weapon able to cause widespread devastation and loss of life.
BRITANNICA
weapon of mass destruction (WMD), weapon with the capacity to inflict death and destruction on such a massive scale and so indiscriminately that its very presence in the hands of a hostile power can be considered a grievous threat. Modern weapons of mass destruction are either nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 22, 2023 20:48:21 GMT
Fact finder
Did Iran ever have weapons of mass destruction?
Iran is not known to currently possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and has signed treaties repudiating the possession of WMDs including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Who has used weapons of mass destruction?
The only country to have used a nuclear weapon in war is the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Did the CIA help Saddam Hussein?
More than 60 US Defense Intelligence Agency officers provided combat planning assistance, and the US also provided battlefield intelligence including satellite pictures to Saddam Hussein's military.
Weapons of Mass Destruction are any Chemical, Nuclear or Biological weapon which can inflict significant harm to numerous persons at one time, or cause significant damage. So WMD are not limited to Nuclear Weapons In violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the Iraqi Army initiated two failed (1970–1974, 1974–1978) and one successful (1978–1991) offensive chemical weapons (CW) programs. President Saddam Hussein (1937–2006) pursued the most extensive chemical program during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), when he waged chemical warfare against his foe. He also used chemicals in 1988 in the Al-Anfal Campaign against his civilian Kurdish population and during a popular uprising in the south in 1991. People continualy talk about "dodgy dossiers and lies", but the FACT is that Saddam Hussain had a history of developing and using Weapons of Mass Destruction.and when did he become a threat to the UK? |
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