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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 16:38:01 GMT
A Labour Government at the next election will be a Blair Government with Starmer as just a figure head. Blair and Mandelson are already peeping out from the shadows aiming to have another bite of the limelight cherry. Starmer is not man enough to stand on his own merit, dark forces are once again plotting. As if Westminster had not already sunk low enough. It has become a statesman/woman free zone where the main criteria for election is based purely on PR capability and more recently a woke agenda. Conspiracy theory. Arien's post is one of the few on this thread that is actually worth reading, where all you do is spam the same moronic response to every post. |
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Post by Homer the Ger✋🏻 on Jul 21, 2023 16:52:25 GMT
Bloodbath for the Tories expected, but in all honesty, I suspect Starmer is more worried than Sunak. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 16:55:18 GMT
The last 13 years the Tories have been unpopular, the one thing that has been in their favour was that the other parties were even worse. Especially when it came to the EU. But now we're out, and the Tories have nothing to fall back on. A new generation of voters who can't remember how shit things were when Blair & Brown were in, and well. No government stays in power forever. Labour had 13 years. The Tories will be lucky if they get past 14 years. The longer a party remains in office, the harder it is to stay in it. Not sure if the voters get fed up with the government or the government get fed of being the government, or a mixture of both.
But we all know the script by now, Labour will get in, and for the first 5 years blame everything that is happening on the Tories, if they win again, that will take them to 10 years in office, by which time no one believes Labour that all the problems are still down down to the Tories, so they'll get kicked out and back to the Tories who will be refreshed after 10 years of being in opposition.
It's quite boring really.
I'm sure they'll import a load more third world fascists to keep things fresh. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2023 16:57:10 GMT
Nothing unexpected in the results, then. Still, there's always the incidental pleasure of seeing Laurence Fox lose his deposit (again). Well he did trounce the LibDems - so it wasn't a totally wasted day..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2023 17:15:49 GMT
LOL - trouble in mill already.. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 21, 2023 17:31:05 GMT
LOL - trouble in mill already.. I wonder if his school gave him the day off. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 21, 2023 17:50:53 GMT
As Humphrey Appleby once said:
Definitely one of those who are too young and too callow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 18:56:55 GMT
 The graph is UK recorded crime from The UK Crime Survey, showing how crime rose every year under Margaret Thatcher and under most years under John Major, and then fell and continued falling under Blair and Browns terms. The NATO bombing of Serb forces was undertaken by the United States, United Kingdom, Turkey, France, Italy, Canada, Denmark, Spain, Belgium, Norway and Portugal, so you could hardly point the blame at Tony Blair. Much of your ramblings are on foreign policy, including the attack on Sadam Hussains regime, which was backed at the time by the opposition Conservative Party. But more to the point, my original post was about the British economy, and the state of it during the last Labour government. And how even before anyone had ever heard of Covid19, our NHS under THIS government was deteriorating, and how much the NHS improved under the last Labour government. Gordon Brown selling UK gold reserves at the wrong time had absolutely no bearing on poverty, poverty declined under the last Labour government. The longest period of sustained growth in this country in modern times - MOST people were better off, indeed much better off than we are now, we are going backwards as regards standard of living. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 19:09:35 GMT
LOL - trouble in mill already.. I wonder if his school gave him the day off. Owen Jones is a Left wing nut job, and at best is "mischievous" to say that Keir Mather "supports a policy of driving children into poverty", there is no such policy. If people like Owen Jones, and the other Corbynites believe that a Labour government should fund expanding Family Allowance, they should suggest either where the funding will come from, or what other government spending should be cut in order to do it. It would be FANTASTIC to help poorer families and those on low incomes, its in the DNA of every Labour supporter to help the less well off, but not only do we need the funding to do it, but that funding has to be sustainable. The days of there been two different Labour Parties is over - from now on, on policy, candidates will sing from the same hymn book, and renegade constituencies will be stopped from nominating desenters as PLP candidates. You cannot expect to br trusted by the people to win government with a disunited, rebelious party |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 21, 2023 19:12:06 GMT
I wonder if his school gave him the day off. Owen Jones is a Left wing nut job, and at best is "mischievous" to say that Keir Mather "supports a policy of driving children into poverty", there is no such policy. If people like Owen Jones, and the other Corbynites believe that a Labour government should fund expanding Family Allowance, they should suggest either where the funding will come from, or what other government spending should be cut in order to do it. It would be FANTASTIC to help poorer families and those on low incomes, its in the DNA of every Labour supporter to help the less well off, but not only do we need the funding to do it, but that funding has to be sustainable. The days of there been two different Labour Parties is over - from now on, on policy, candidates will sing from the same hymn book, and renegade constituencies will be stopped from nominating desenters as PLP candidates. You cannot expect to br trusted by the people to win government with a disunited, rebelious party Blimey I had to double check you posted that sid, I more or less agree with most of what you've posted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 19:16:47 GMT
Well if the Tories can pull of getting to grips with interest rate rises, cost of living crisis, energy bills, and the illegal migrants, I think Labour could be in trouble, just about the next GE time, if things are looking up for people, they wouldn't want to risk it by putting in a incompetent Labour government. If Labour do win the next GE this time they will not inherit a strong economy to fritter away again, any one make a guess at what they would do ? They may erect barb wire to stop tax payers from leaving. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2023 21:16:36 GMT
I wonder if his school gave him the day off. Owen Jones is a Left wing nut job, and at best is "mischievous" to say that Keir Mather "supports a policy of driving children into poverty", there is no such policy. If people like Owen Jones, and the other Corbynites believe that a Labour government should fund expanding Family Allowance, they should suggest either where the funding will come from, or what other government spending should be cut in order to do it. It would be FANTASTIC to help poorer families and those on low incomes, its in the DNA of every Labour supporter to help the less well off, but not only do we need the funding to do it, but that funding has to be sustainable. The days of there been two different Labour Parties is over - from now on, on policy, candidates will sing from the same hymn book, and renegade constituencies will be stopped from nominating desenters as PLP candidates. You cannot expect to br trusted by the people to win government with a disunited, rebelious party So every Labour MP in Parliament has been criticising the Tory policy on the 2 child benefit cap for years without having the foggiest where the money would come from to scrap it. And you have the cheek, the damn cheek, to talk about trust... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 5:36:19 GMT
Arien's post is one of the few on this thread that is actually worth reading, where all you do is spam the same moronic response to every post. It's a copy of a tongue in cheek post that I made months ago but it was Corbyn and Abbott that I used. 😂 Do keep up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 6:12:12 GMT
Arien's post is one of the few on this thread that is actually worth reading, where all you do is spam the same moronic response to every post. It's a copy of a tongue in cheek post that I made months ago but it was Corbyn and Abbott that I used. 😂 Do keep up. If this is the best you can come up with then well done. Maybe Sid will give you a little gold star. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 6:37:04 GMT
Tories have held Uxbridge. Lib Dems win Somerton and Frome. Incredible, so Labour won just 1 out of 3, and Starmer is claiming the biggest victory since England won the world cup! Remarkable. The turnouts seem to be so low because Conservative voters have decided to stop wasting time on the two New Labour parties. He hasn't had to do a thing.
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