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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 21:42:20 GMT
Thank you for the 7. Though two don't challenge AGW just whether its a bad thing. Still that's 7.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 21:47:12 GMT
No I haven't. I was pointed to a biased site who misrepresented what scientists said. Now be a good fellow and name some names. Surely to god with 30% to choose from it would take you only a few minutes to link some and their articles denying AGW. Does 'The Quint' name any of these 1,200 scientists who say climate change is not real. Why on earth do you need names. Are you saying you do not believe they exist and the 1200 signatories are fraudulent. Even the link does not do that. Still let is play the game. You wanted scientists www.businessinsider.com/the-ten-most-important-climate-change-skeptics-2009-7?r=US&IR=TThen there is Steven Goddard, Madhav Khandekar and the list of 500 signees clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdfEDIT If you read the link the list of 1200 signatories is linked in there. The 500 listed are a previous release. If you are concerned you could cross reference the 500 with teh 1200 and knock of those who are the same and give me a number. I am saying I don't believe the Squint anymore than WUWT. That their definition of a climate change denying scientist might not be the same as mine.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 18, 2023 21:51:06 GMT
How many of the 1,200 are left after you take away the ones who aren't climate scientists and the ones who get money from oil companies?
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2023 21:57:57 GMT
I am saying I don't believe the Squint anymore than WUWT. That their definition of a climate change denying scientist might not be the same as mine. Of course you don't. However the letter in both cases is open, the positions are clearly stated, the scientists are listed in the signatories. It is not the sites that are making the claim it is the scientists listed as the signatories. The 1200 are in a World Declaration an open letter to the World, teh 500 was an open letter to the UN. Both in the wide domain of new. You wanted names you have got them in their own signatures, a bit like all the scientists signing the IPCC report.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 21:59:16 GMT
How many of the 1,200 are left after you take away the ones who aren't climate scientists and the ones who get money from oil companies? 7 and not all of those actually deny it.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2023 22:03:55 GMT
How many of the 1,200 are left after you take away the ones who aren't climate scientists and the ones who get money from oil companies? You tell me. Is the source of funding for research a block to the accuracy of that research? Many scientists take money from governments as regards AGW research and from the UN. I suppose gravy trains are the same everywhere and integrity of scientists is by no means limited to the specific tune called. If only we could trust them all, but I suppose that is the argument, there is a lack of trust in the narrative that calls for sacrifice from others.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2023 22:08:21 GMT
How many of the 1,200 are left after you take away the ones who aren't climate scientists and the ones who get money from oil companies? 7 and not all of those actually deny it. Apart from the China temp which in terms of comparisons with past temperatures isn't do you have a list of which records are currently being broken as you keep saying they are?
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 19, 2023 6:15:33 GMT
As I've said many times before, it doesn't matter how many scientists - or anyone else - say that "climate change" is predominantly caused by man-made CO2. Science is not decided by opinion polls. It's decided by having working equations or models that can predict what happens reasonably accurately. But the various bodies that make these claims don't have any such thing.
In fact they seem more interested in doctoring the data to fit their models than altering their models to fit the facts. As I've pointed out on another thread they're now busy lowering the historic temperatures and raising recent temperatures by running the data filtering algorithms through their models - which is basically just fiddling the figures to make their models appear to work.
If these bodies want sensible people to believe what they say this is not the right way to go about it. Only the gullible will believe what they say.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 19, 2023 6:34:50 GMT
7 and not all of those actually deny it. Apart from the China temp which in terms of comparisons with past temperatures isn't do you have a list of which records are currently being broken as you keep saying they are? No I don't because its not the point. Most places have an all time high temperature from some distant past. An unusual set of circumstances in a localised area such as a high pressure held in place by the weather around it for a prolonged period. In 1913 one country in 1842 another. What we are seeing now is a global heatwave, every country is having an exceptionally hot summer.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 19, 2023 6:48:40 GMT
As I've said many times before, it doesn't matter how many scientists - or anyone else - say that "climate change" is predominantly caused by man-made CO2. Science is not decided by opinion polls. It's decided by having working equations or models that can predict what happens reasonably accurately. But the various bodies that make these claims don't have any such thing. In fact they seem more interested in doctoring the data to fit their models than altering their models to fit the facts. As I've pointed out on another thread they're now busy lowering the historic temperatures and raising recent temperatures by running the data filtering algorithms through their models - which is basically just fiddling the figures to make their models appear to work. If these bodies want sensible people to believe what they say this is not the right way to go about it. Only the gullible will believe what they say. And as I answered, science is not based on facts its based on evidence, that evidence rarely has no exceptions to its rules. Even if you were right and some figures were smoothed it does not change the overall trend or its cause. The only thing that would cause me to doubt those figures (and frankly my own eyes) would be if the majority of those figures were wrong. But all you have is a few weather stations and a glacier. Other than that just the endless, this spot was warmer 100 years ago, the planet was warmer in the Carboniferous age etc. I am yet to have any reasoned explanation as to why China is going along with the rest of the world on this ruse.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 19, 2023 7:12:21 GMT
Apart from the China temp which in terms of comparisons with past temperatures isn't do you have a list of which records are currently being broken as you keep saying they are? No I don't because its not the point. Most places have an all time high temperature from some distant past. An unusual set of circumstances in a localised area such as a high pressure held in place by the weather around it for a prolonged period. In 1913 one country in 1842 another. What we are seeing now is a global heatwave, every country is having an exceptionally hot summer. No, they’re not. If you believe the News you will think Satan has unleashed an army of imps armed with perpetual flame throwers fuelled from the very fires of hell upon all parts of the the globe South of the Isle of Wight The truth is right now Malta is exactly the temperature it was in 1987 when they last got hit by a heatwave that threatened - and then actually did - kill a few dozen greeks in Athens, and Brac Island is currently 25 hoping to hit 32 and Bari is currently 32 heading to the low 40s just as they were on my honeymoon in 1981 and my holiday to Malta in 1987 Yes, SOME parts are having a hotter summer than usual But not all, and not everywhere. I watched an excellent video from a BBC Weatherman who explained why Sardinia south of a certain mountain range is currently ten degrees hotter than the land less than fifty miles north the other side of those mountains.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 19, 2023 7:22:49 GMT
No I don't because its not the point. Most places have an all time high temperature from some distant past. An unusual set of circumstances in a localised area such as a high pressure held in place by the weather around it for a prolonged period. In 1913 one country in 1842 another. What we are seeing now is a global heatwave, every country is having an exceptionally hot summer. No, they’re not. If you believe the News you will think Satan has unleashed an army of imps armed with perpetual flame throwers fuelled from the very fires of hell upon all parts of the the globe South of the Isle of Wight The truth is right now Malta is exactly the temperature it was in 1987 when they last got hit by a heatwave that threatened - and then actually did - kill a few dozen greeks in Athens, and Brac Island is currently 25 hoping to hit 32 and Bari is currently 32 heading to the low 40s just as they were on my honeymoon in 1981 and my holiday to Malta in 1987 Yes, SOME parts are having a hotter summer than usual But not all, and not everywhere. I watched an excellent video from a BBC Weatherman who explained why Sardinia south of a certain mountain range is currently ten degrees hotter than the land less than fifty miles north the other side of those mountains. And here we are with another anecdote about one place that was hot sometime in the past. Yes I've been to Seville when it was 40 degrees. in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 7:30:51 GMT
You do realise that it is winter in the southern hemisphere don't you? You do realise the Southern Hemisphere is on the Globe, don't you? Of course, but trying to insinuate that global warming is not real because it is not record breakingly hot in the hemisphere that is in the middle of winter really is quite silly. A true measure would be whether winter temperatures are record breakingly mild, and summer temperatures record breakingly hot.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 19, 2023 7:44:44 GMT
Anecdote my fragrant viking arse.
The temperatures i quoted were those shown on the Apple weather app at 7:45 this morning. Are your fire charts live, online ?
And as i said, the BBC Weather Man did an excellent job of explaining descending hot air from a displaced jetstream. The same displaced jetstream that git displaced in ‘87 and ‘81 and nany tims since.
Tell Azrael, Michael, Gabriel and the fourth guy to bugger iff back home and the other four to get off their horses and drink their milk, there’s a good fellow.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 19, 2023 8:11:21 GMT
Anecdote my fragrant viking arse. The temperatures i quoted were those shown on the Apple weather app at 7:45 this morning. Are your fire charts live, online ? And as i said, the BBC Weather Man did an excellent job of explaining descending hot air from a displaced jetstream. The same displaced jetstream that git displaced in ‘87 and ‘81 and nany tims since. Tell Azrael, Michael, Gabriel and the fourth guy to bugger iff back home and the other four to get off their horses and drink their milk, there’s a good fellow. Yes. And what displaces the jet stream and what is the temperature of the air it displaces and how often is it happening now and in how many areas at the same time. I don't doubt the accuracy of your reading (Though Sandy and the bloggers might) My point about the anecdotal was that you took the reading in one place only. Malta.
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