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Post by Pacifico on Jul 18, 2023 11:59:48 GMT
The solution to deaths from high temperatures is cheap energy - if only the government would take note. i presume you mean so you can run air conditioning ? I would have thought the answer was not to live there. The whole world cannot live in the same place. We have the current technical expertise to make living in areas of high heat comfortable - just as we have the expertise to make living in areas of excessive cold. The only thing you need is cheap energy.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 14:47:43 GMT
I remember the insanely hot heatwave from last summer. and i remember 1976 which while a full degree lower in dad’s greenhouse than last year’s was in mine ladted a bloody sight longer. The big difference is this heat wave is global. Its not a freak local weather effecting the UK one summer. This freak weather is global.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 15:11:31 GMT
Of course NASA nor you are wrong to mention Soot. Where you are wrong is to pretend that means global warming isn't happening. Or that this is the only reason the lower Himalayan glaciers are receding. Record temperatures have been broken in dozens of places across the planet. AND THAT is the critical thing, these are not an unusual set of weather conditions in one area, this is global. The hottest ever recorded in Europe was in 2021 (only two years ago) China has recorded its hottest ever temperature this year at 52.2c Searching the internet for exceptions to the rule is not reasoned conversation. Pretending that these odd anomalies you find cast doubt on the other tons of evidence out there is duplicitous. Then we have people asking why the weather was different 300,000,000 years ago when the continents weren't even in the same place, or why we had a warm period in one part of Europe a thousand years ago as if these unusual events might explain what we see today, time and again despite being given the reasons for these events and the reasons for the current ones. Or pretending Co2 is good for the planet and plants will thrive making life better for the mammals. Its all just smoke and mirrors and deserves similar quality answers. Several points that seem to need continual repetition. Where have I said global warming is not happening? Where have I said the only reason glaciers are retreating is soot? The thing is if you take a look at all the highest temperatures recorded a pattern starts to emerge that raises concerns that in any other walk of life would raise concerns as to the veracity of the values recorded and the legitimacy of their comparison to past temperatures and readings. There is also the situation where a reading stands for 100 years and suddenly it becomes a non reading and is expunged from the records so that a lower record can stand as the hottest. You are a businessman,if you base your business on the readings of temperatures available then you would ask questions as to how they were recorded, you would seek verification that they were traceable to national standards and you would wish to know if any other factors were involved. I used to inspect production plants of various sorts and verify the values they were recording and the units they were producing and quite often just a slight digging below the surface and questioning of staff highlighted problems with what they were producing. Temperature recording is no different and if one compares a temp 100 years ago of a station in an open field with temps recorded now from the same sited station now on the edge of an industrial estate and just outside an airport fence then there are reasons to suggest the comparison is not viable. Most especially with new instant response probes being used as opposed to slow response mercury or even spirit thermometers. The NOAA in teh US have sited new stations in pristine sites to try and negate this question and so far the stations they have record no temperature rise in the US since 2005. Yet we are still told the global temp increase is accelerating when even the last 8 years are below the 30 year average. The figures they are recording are not telling the tale they would have us believe. These are not a 'few anomalies' they are serious questions. They seem to be trying to sell us a pup where even the weather charts are a different hue as though something has happened other than a decision by someone to change the colours. It is a game with obvious plays. Yes, I realise you are cleverer than that, you don't say global warming isn't happening you just keep hinting it might not be or it might be natural because the figures are not deadly accurate. I challenge your assertions that these minor discrepancies in any way indicate that the science on global warming is wrong. I challenge the validity of stating some glaciers are receding because of soot as its irrelevant to the fact nearly every glacier is receding. I dispute the idea that temperature readings across the globe are erroneous because a few stations are in the wrong place, but that they are only ever in the wrong place that read higher than they should. None apparently read lower than they should, None have ended up in a wind tunnel of a shady area. How many times have I asked you how many readings were wrong, each time you post its "A number" And i am also aware of the dispute you claim is serious. www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/feb/08/no-climate-conspiracy-noaa-temperature-adjustments-bring-data-closer-to-pristine
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2023 15:17:41 GMT
and i remember 1976 which while a full degree lower in dad’s greenhouse than last year’s was in mine ladted a bloody sight longer. The big difference is this heat wave is global. Its not a freak local weather effecting the UK one summer. This freak weather is global. Well if you pay attention to the weather stations you find out it is not. Take the China station it has only been in existence for a few years so there is no comparison. The previous record for the area was in a nearby station higher up and itself was only a few years old within the mountain enclosed basin which is a well known heat trap not dissimilar to death valley. So it is not possible to say, 'it is global' as once again we are comparing values that should not be compared. The Dry Adiabatic lapse rate is about 1.5C per thousand feet so any readings taken a few hundred feet higher would obviously be lower. It is an interesting game where records are broken to order because the main effort is going into ensuring they are broken. Too many professionals seem to have been co-opted into a rather shaky narrative.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2023 15:38:05 GMT
Several points that seem to need continual repetition. Where have I said global warming is not happening? Where have I said the only reason glaciers are retreating is soot? The thing is if you take a look at all the highest temperatures recorded a pattern starts to emerge that raises concerns that in any other walk of life would raise concerns as to the veracity of the values recorded and the legitimacy of their comparison to past temperatures and readings. There is also the situation where a reading stands for 100 years and suddenly it becomes a non reading and is expunged from the records so that a lower record can stand as the hottest. You are a businessman,if you base your business on the readings of temperatures available then you would ask questions as to how they were recorded, you would seek verification that they were traceable to national standards and you would wish to know if any other factors were involved. I used to inspect production plants of various sorts and verify the values they were recording and the units they were producing and quite often just a slight digging below the surface and questioning of staff highlighted problems with what they were producing. Temperature recording is no different and if one compares a temp 100 years ago of a station in an open field with temps recorded now from the same sited station now on the edge of an industrial estate and just outside an airport fence then there are reasons to suggest the comparison is not viable. Most especially with new instant response probes being used as opposed to slow response mercury or even spirit thermometers. The NOAA in teh US have sited new stations in pristine sites to try and negate this question and so far the stations they have record no temperature rise in the US since 2005. Yet we are still told the global temp increase is accelerating when even the last 8 years are below the 30 year average. The figures they are recording are not telling the tale they would have us believe. These are not a 'few anomalies' they are serious questions. They seem to be trying to sell us a pup where even the weather charts are a different hue as though something has happened other than a decision by someone to change the colours. It is a game with obvious plays. Yes, I realise you are cleverer than that, you don't say global warming isn't happening you just keep hinting it might not be or it might be natural because the figures are not deadly accurate. I challenge your assertions that these minor discrepancies in any way indicate that the science on global warming is wrong. I challenge the validity of stating some glaciers are receding because of soot as its irrelevant to the fact nearly every glacier is receding. I dispute the idea that temperature readings across the globe are erroneous because a few stations are in the wrong place, but that they are only ever in the wrong place that read higher than they should. None apparently read lower than they should, None have ended up in a wind tunnel of a shady area. How many times have I asked you how many readings were wrong, each time you post its "A number" And i am also aware of the dispute you claim is serious. www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/feb/08/no-climate-conspiracy-noaa-temperature-adjustments-bring-data-closer-to-pristineIf we are expected to self immolate metaphorically speaking then we would expect the figures to be beyond reproach. Minor discrepancies easily discovered call into question the rest. You may not like that but it has legs. I do however say that the discrepancies are by no means minor. I stated that NASA and others have referred to soot having an impact on many glaciers specifically the Himalayas and the Alps. This means the retreat of glaciers has other factors affecting it as well as global warming which is what I said. I am not saying the stations across the globe are erroneous I am saying that if a decide to go and look at several hundred stations largely on a random basis Nationwide I would not expect to find 96% of them corrupted by poor siting. Finding one station is a problem, finding 2 would be of concern finding over 180 is a problem for the legitimacy of the records. I would also not expect to be able to question with good cause the veracity of all stations stating British Temperature records in the last few years. The pristine stations show no warming since 2005. The pristine stations may help to make adjustments on the existing stations but in the end much of what is reported is in fact corrected data.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 16:09:17 GMT
The big difference is this heat wave is global. Its not a freak local weather effecting the UK one summer. This freak weather is global. Well if you pay attention to the weather stations you find out it is not. Take the China station it has only been in existence for a few years so there is no comparison. The previous record for the area was in a nearby station higher up and itself was only a few years old within the mountain enclosed basin which is a well known heat trap not dissimilar to death valley. So it is not possible to say, 'it is global' as once again we are comparing values that should not be compared. The Dry Adiabatic lapse rate is about 1.5C per thousand feet so any readings taken a few hundred feet higher would obviously be lower. It is an interesting game where records are broken to order because the main effort is going into ensuring they are broken. Too many professionals seem to have been co-opted into a rather shaky narrative. Definitely if you move up a few feet its much colder. And yes like death valley its their hottest spot, but it just got hotter. Surely every breaking temperature in every country in the world all due to faulty readings. Its totally true. One of the biggest coincidences ever recorded. Everyone knows what we are seeing is quite normal
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Post by bancroft on Jul 18, 2023 17:55:48 GMT
It is called death valley for a reason I guess.
I read there was a massive solar flare a few days ago not sure what effect this would have and also how quickly it would reach us and what effect it would produce.
I see the BBC quote charts from the 1950s to back up global warming, really are they seriously telling us they had all these temperature readings all over the place?
I recall in Spain in 1996 a teacher said to me they had once got up to 54c
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 18:01:52 GMT
and i remember 1976 which while a full degree lower in dad’s greenhouse than last year’s was in mine ladted a bloody sight longer. The big difference is this heat wave is global. Its not a freak local weather effecting the UK one summer. This freak weather is global. Tierra del Fuego 4C Brisbane 13C Cape Town 14C Hobart 7C Christchurch NZ 3C La Manchuiria Argentina 2C South Pole -53C yes minus 53C Although you said twice that it is global, it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 18:09:44 GMT
The big difference is this heat wave is global. Its not a freak local weather effecting the UK one summer. This freak weather is global. Tierra del Fuego 4C Brisbane 13C Cape Town 14C Hobart 7C Christchurch NZ 3C La Manchuiria Argentina 2C South Pole -53C yes minus 53C Although you said twice that it is global, it isn't. You do realise that it is winter in the southern hemisphere don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 18:20:53 GMT
It is called death valley for a reason I guess. I read there was a massive solar flare a few days ago not sure what effect this would have and also how quickly it would reach us and what effect it would produce. I see the BBC quote charts from the 1950s to back up global warming, really are they seriously telling us they had all these temperature readings all over the place? I recall in Spain in 1996 a teacher said to me they had once got up to 54c It would be lovely to rely on teachers, but the maximum temperature ever recorded in Spain was in La Rambla, Córdoba on August 14th 2021. 46.6C
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 18:21:42 GMT
Tierra del Fuego 4C Brisbane 13C Cape Town 14C Hobart 7C Christchurch NZ 3C La Manchuiria Argentina 2C South Pole -53C yes minus 53C Although you said twice that it is global, it isn't. You do realise that it is winter in the southern hemisphere don't you? You do realise the Southern Hemisphere is on the Globe, don't you?
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 18:24:59 GMT
It is called death valley for a reason I guess. I read there was a massive solar flare a few days ago not sure what effect this would have and also how quickly it would reach us and what effect it would produce. I see the BBC quote charts from the 1950s to back up global warming, really are they seriously telling us they had all these temperature readings all over the place? I recall in Spain in 1996 a teacher said to me they had once got up to 54c It would reach us in minutes and cause eruptions in our magnetic field, but solar flares do not heat the planet.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 18:26:42 GMT
You do realise that it is winter in the southern hemisphere don't you? You do realise the Southern Hemisphere is on the Globe, don't you? Its amazing the half facing away from the sun is colder. you learn something new every day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 18:29:17 GMT
You do realise the Southern Hemisphere is on the Globe, don't you? Its amazing the half facing away from the sun is colder. you learn something new every day. Is this Zany changing his mind? Perhaps you should use words more carefully, especially when repeating a falsehood twice in the same post.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 18, 2023 18:33:24 GMT
Its amazing the half facing away from the sun is colder. you learn something new every day. Is this Zany changing his mind? Perhaps you should use words more carefully, especially when repeating a falsehood twice in the same post. This is Zany assuming some basic level of knowledge in those he is talking to.
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