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Post by oracle75 on Jul 8, 2023 21:53:37 GMT
Dont be so blind.
It comes down to funding, not nationalism.
If the UK wants to pay for inclusion then it can.
If not, projects like Horizon will carry on regardless. The best UK scientists etc will move abroad and investment will steer away again from the UK.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 8, 2023 22:27:47 GMT
Sir Paul Nurse, director of the Francis Crick Institute in London ….. How very strange. A thieving mysogynistic eugenecist who was barking up entirely the wrong tree until he saw and stole the work of a woman on someone else's research team, and decided to nick it and claim the credit, gets to keep his name on a research institute but a bloke who handed god knows how much to the people gets his statue thrown in a dock …. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2023 8:09:19 GMT
Scientific cooperation shouldn't be a political football. It shouldn't be an overpriced EU scam. It should be OPEN. This is the age of the internet. The age of LINUX. Do you know how Linux works? Loads of international programmers all sharing work and not creating clashing code. There's something called GITHUB. There's something called the GNU General Public Licence. That kind of openness can be replicated in science. Why does anyone need the EU in order to share scientific data? Just do it open source the way the Linux community does it. And that is one of the most intelligent posts made on here (or on the old forum) ever. Thanks! |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 9, 2023 9:17:02 GMT
Excellent news. The Horizon project helps prevent duplication of testing and shares negative results as well as positive ones. Sense slowly returns to the UK as it recovers from the punch in the face that was Brexit. Well it would be if it were true. You only have to look at the EU's failed Galileo project to confirm what a total waste of money and recources it is just to support the Brussels vanity of their elite. It hasnt failed. There are about 2 dozen comms satellites circling the earth and helping tens od millions of drivers, public and commercial, to get from A to B and tens of millions of others using mobile phones at will. Plus military use. It replaces the need to use US or Russian satellites which can be blocked at any time. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)If the UK wants to play it has to pay. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2023 9:41:38 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 9, 2023 11:32:22 GMT
Toddle off and find out what Horizon and Galileo are. It will do your reputation a lot of good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 11:38:26 GMT
Pragmatic solving problems in a sensible way that suits the conditions that really exist now, rather than obeying fixed theories, ideas, or rules:
In business, the pragmatic approach to problems is often more successful than an idealistic one. (Cambridge Dictionary)
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The internet was first created by a clever British man "Sir Tim Benners Lee" as a result of working at the worlds largest Physics Laboratory at CERN, The European Organisation For Nuclear Research, which is a European colaboration and world leader in its field.
An undeniable fact is that : Much can be achieved by colaboration, working together, pooling knowledge, resources and finance, than what could be achieved alone.
The UK alone CANNOT achieve what working together and colaborating with Europe can achieve, and this includes in sciences, medicine, defence, airospace.
A prime example of where the UK has lost out is The Galileo Project ( an independent Satelite Navigation System for Europe ), instead of having to rely on the United States "GPS" system.
We actually lost many millions of pounds of British investment in this project, and from a legal perspective there was nothing our government could do, it was our decision to leave the EU, and hence out of the project.
The UK will probably never develop its own system due to cost, we could have been partners in Galileo, but now as before, we will be reliant on others.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2023 14:42:56 GMT
Why should scientific research and cooperation have to involve paying the EU billions more into their already unnecessarily bloated budget?
All it requires is a GitHub style server with shared data on it which all scientists can log into, access and contribute to.
Oh and Tim Berners Lee did NOT invent the internet. He invented the world wide web, aka Hypertext Markup Language a technology which utilises the US invention of TCP/IP, a technology which has its origins at DARPA and at Berkeley University whose Berkeley Standard Distribution of UNIX (aka BSD) included the TCP/IP protocol before Tim Berners Lee was a student.
Tim used used a NeXT system, the NeXT operating system was a form of BSD UNIX developed in an open source environment.
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Post by jonksy on Jul 9, 2023 14:53:54 GMT
Pragmatic solving problems in a sensible way that suits the conditions that really exist now, rather than obeying fixed theories, ideas, or rules: In business, the pragmatic approach to problems is often more successful than an idealistic one. (Cambridge Dictionary) .................................................................. The internet was first created by a clever British man "Sir Tim Benners Lee" as a result of working at the worlds largest Physics Laboratory at CERN, The European Organisation For Nuclear Research, which is a European colaboration and world leader in its field. An undeniable fact is that : Much can be achieved by colaboration, working together, pooling knowledge, resources and finance, than what could be achieved alone. The UK alone CANNOT achieve what working together and colaborating with Europe can achieve, and this includes in sciences, medicine, defence, airospace. A prime example of where the UK has lost out is The Galileo Project ( an independent Satelite Navigation System for Europe ), instead of having to rely on the United States "GPS" system. We actually lost many millions of pounds of British investment in this project, and from a legal perspective there was nothing our government could do, it was our decision to leave the EU, and hence out of the project. The UK will probably never develop its own system due to cost, we could have been partners in Galileo, but now as before, we will be reliant on others. The UK have developed their own system which far exceeds the Gallileo system And guess what our satellites can even keep good time .. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 14:59:08 GMT
Vinny - the problem would be policing the licencing. A strong open source licence like GPL (linux kernel) requires that all derived software carries the same licence. They're free as in free-speech, but we know the EU doesn't support such things, and that's before we even look toward places like China. It's an interesting idea for contributing to science, and let's hope some European countries take it on board.
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Post by jonksy on Jul 9, 2023 15:31:31 GMT
Why should scientific research and cooperation have to involve paying the EU billions more into their already unnecessarily bloated budget? All it requires is a GitHub style server with shared data on it which all scientists can log into, access and contribute to. Oh and Tim Berners Lee did NOT invent the internet. He invented the world wide web, aka Hypertext Markup Language a technology which utilises the US invention of TCP/IP, a technology which has its origins at DARPA and at Berkeley University whose Berkeley Standard Distribution of UNIX (aka BSD) included the TCP/IP protocol before Tim Berners Lee was a student. Tim used used a NeXT system, the NeXT operating system was a form of BSD UNIX developed in an open source environment. Exactly Vinny the Gallileo system is old hat and and in its infant stage was used in blairs illegal war and was reposible for 98% of the blue on blue incendents which took many of our soldiers lives or left them maimed for life. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2023 15:41:43 GMT
BSD has a very weak licence.
As a result Microsoft copied BSD code into Windows without violating the licence, it is for example how Windows connects to the internet.
The issue of licence is an important one.
But, even under the EU model, there's an issue of control of intellectual property.
If all of this is being developed by academic institutions i.e. Universities, then a licence which grants credit of invention to the shared scientific community and whether or not they approve of commercial / military use of their inventions, or if it can only have non violent use.
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Post by Toreador on Jul 9, 2023 15:46:44 GMT
Wasn't he one of your heroes when the government dished out money to save companies? Yes indeed. It was only later I realised that it was just another thing to make him popular and that he had no plan to go with it. Oh, so you were naive. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 9, 2023 16:54:22 GMT
Pragmatic solving problems in a sensible way that suits the conditions that really exist now, rather than obeying fixed theories, ideas, or rules: In business, the pragmatic approach to problems is often more successful than an idealistic one. (Cambridge Dictionary) .................................................................. The internet was first created by a clever British man "Sir Tim Benners Lee" as a result of working at the worlds largest Physics Laboratory at CERN, The European Organisation For Nuclear Research, which is a European colaboration and world leader in its field. An undeniable fact is that : Much can be achieved by colaboration, working together, pooling knowledge, resources and finance, than what could be achieved alone. The UK alone CANNOT achieve what working together and colaborating with Europe can achieve, and this includes in sciences, medicine, defence, airospace. A prime example of where the UK has lost out is The Galileo Project ( an independent Satelite Navigation System for Europe ), instead of having to rely on the United States "GPS" system.
We actually lost many millions of pounds of British investment in this project, and from a legal perspective there was nothing our government could do, it was our decision to leave the EU, and hence out of the project. The UK will probably never develop its own system due to cost, we could have been partners in Galileo, but now as before, we will be reliant on others. How have we lost out? - what cant we do by not being a partner in this project? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 9, 2023 17:01:44 GMT
Have you got a spare one of these in your house?
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