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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 14:41:30 GMT
For what? I'm not the one implying that another forum member is ugly followed up by insulting his wife. I merely responded to all of that whilst you came running to abuser's defence. You have been told before that Red and I go back a long way and are good friends on here. We are clear evidence that you can disagree while still being mates. Personally I think you are stalking me and should but your nose out, I'm sure Red can give as good as he takes. Still I expect he's very grateful for your concern. IMO Pacifico and Mags seem alright. I get a sense of respect for them, which encourages respectful reciprocation. The other one just abuses his position to favour his politics and favourites (EUphile lefties), which in turn, encourages an echo chamber of leftist abusers who rely on this moderator for trolling. It only takes one.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 15, 2023 14:42:55 GMT
And I thought you were just pretending to be stupid. Your only claim to stop asylum seekers coming to this country is that they use an 'irregular' route to get here, is that what you are saying? Bearing in mind that paying a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B' is illegal, define asylum seeker... Thanks for bringing it back to the point in hand Red. We all know many of those supposedly being trafficked are in reality willing economic migrants. The nub of the problem is stopping them while allowing genuine asylum seekers. Hence my offshore processing idea. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 15, 2023 14:47:00 GMT
You have been told before that Red and I go back a long way and are good friends on here. We are clear evidence that you can disagree while still being mates. Personally I think you are stalking me and should but your nose out, I'm sure Red can give as good as he takes. Still I expect he's very grateful for your concern. IMO Pacifico and Mags seem alright. I get a sense of respect for them, which encourages respectful reciprocation. The other one just abuses his position to favour his politics and favourites (EUphile lefties), which in turn, encourages an echo chamber of leftist abusers who rely on this moderator for trolling. It only takes one.
You may now report me to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 14:51:40 GMT
IMO Pacifico and Mags seem alright. I get a sense of respect for them, which encourages respectful reciprocation. The other one just abuses his position to favour his politics and favourites (EUphile lefties), which in turn, encourages an echo chamber of leftist abusers who rely on this moderator for trolling. It only takes one.
You may now report me to him.
Sure, things would be much fairer if all the mods were right wing Brexiteers with no sense of humour. I'd rather moderators weren't manipulated and didn't abuse their position to serve their own. I don't see them doing that. Maybe this is because they take the role more seriously and know they have to maintain a libertarian style of moderation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 14:57:40 GMT
And I thought you were just pretending to be stupid. Your only claim to stop asylum seekers coming to this country is that they use an 'irregular' route to get here, is that what you are saying? Bearing in mind that paying a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B' is illegal, define asylum seeker... You know what an asylum seeker is, you are acting stupid again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 15:02:34 GMT
Bearing in mind that paying a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B' is illegal, define asylum seeker... Thanks for bringing it back to the point in hand Red. We all know many of those supposedly being trafficked are in reality willing economic migrants. The nub of the problem is stopping them while allowing genuine asylum seekers. Hence my offshore processing idea. I agree but over 70% of asylum seekers, when processed, have their claim upheld so it is the government that are creating the conditions for the people smugglers by not processing the people in boats. We have an arrangement with Albania to sent back their citizens who are the biggest group of economic migrants. We could process the in France but the government has said they will not do that even though the French are quite happy with the idea. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2023 15:05:16 GMT
Bearing in mind that paying a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B' is illegal, define asylum seeker... You know what an asylum seeker is, you are acting stupid again. If a person lands on an English beach with no documentation after paying a people trafficker to get him from the safe country of France, he is first and foremost a criminal and should be treated accordingly. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 15, 2023 15:09:01 GMT
Sure, things would be much fairer if all the mods were right wing Brexiteers with no sense of humour. I'd rather moderators weren't manipulated and didn't abuse their position to serve their own. I don't see them doing that. Maybe this is because they take the role more seriously and know they have to maintain a libertarian style of moderation. You're making a lot of false assumptions there. No one is manipulating me, I'm not abusing my position, I do take my duties very seriously and all three of us are committed to a light hand on the moderation. If you are looking for somewhere all the mod team are right wing I recommend 4chan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 15:17:03 GMT
I'd rather moderators weren't manipulated and didn't abuse their position to serve their own. I don't see them doing that. Maybe this is because they take the role more seriously and know they have to maintain a libertarian style of moderation. You're making a lot of false assumptions there. No one is manipulating me, I'm not abusing my position, I do take my duties very seriously and all three of us are committed to a light hand on the moderation. If you are looking for somewhere all the mod team are right wing I recommend 4chan. I disagree, and no where did I say I wanted an only right wing moderation team. That's your accusation founded on what I can only see as your inability to understand my point. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 15, 2023 15:53:44 GMT
You're making a lot of false assumptions there. No one is manipulating me, I'm not abusing my position, I do take my duties very seriously and all three of us are committed to a light hand on the moderation. If you are looking for somewhere all the mod team are right wing I recommend 4chan. I disagree, and no where did I say I wanted an only right wing moderation team. That's your accusation founded on what I can only see as your inability to understand my point. Whatever. We've diverted from the topic of the thread enough now. If you wish to continue your accusations against me I suggest you start a thread in the Forum Suggestions and Feedback section or report me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 15:59:46 GMT
You know what an asylum seeker is, you are acting stupid again. If a person lands on an English beach with no documentation after paying a people trafficker to get him from the safe country of France, he is first and foremost a criminal and should be treated accordingly. Why are you still repeating things you know to be false. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 16:22:23 GMT
You know what an asylum seeker is, you are acting stupid again. If a person lands on an English beach with no documentation after paying a people trafficker to get him from the safe country of France, he is first and foremost a criminal and should be treated accordingly. Is it just that they are paying people to come to the UK that you see as the problem. If the people traffickers did not charge them would you welcome the asylum seekers? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2023 16:33:53 GMT
If a person lands on an English beach with no documentation after paying a people trafficker to get him from the safe country of France, he is first and foremost a criminal and should be treated accordingly. Is it just that they are paying people to come to the UK that you see as the problem. If the people traffickers did not charge them would you welcome the asylum seekers? As far as the law is concerned the points you raise are irrelevant. The only way anyone could legally claim asylum or refugee status having stepped off a boat onto an English beach is if France was in a state of war. You cannot simply decide that you are a refugee or asylum seeker because you want to move from one safe country to another safe country. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 15, 2023 16:49:15 GMT
Is it just that they are paying people to come to the UK that you see as the problem. If the people traffickers did not charge them would you welcome the asylum seekers? As far as the law is concerned the points you raise are irrelevant. The only way anyone could legally claim asylum or refugee status having stepped off a boat onto an English beach is if France was in a state of war. You cannot simply decide that you are a refugee or asylum seeker because you want to move from one safe country to another safe country. Only countries with a border to a warring or failed state have a responsibility to accept asylum seekers? Unless the asylum seeker travels by boat or airplane directly to their chosen destination? So a Somalian wishing to seek asylum in the UK has to sail up the Red Sea, through the Suez canal, along the length of the Mediterranean Sea, into the Atlantic and up the coast of Spain, Portugal and France into the Channel without stepping foot in any of the countries they have passed before they can be accepted for asylum here? |
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Post by Orac on Jul 15, 2023 16:58:47 GMT
As far as the law is concerned the points you raise are irrelevant. The only way anyone could legally claim asylum or refugee status having stepped off a boat onto an English beach is if France was in a state of war. You cannot simply decide that you are a refugee or asylum seeker because you want to move from one safe country to another safe country. Only countries with a border to a warring or failed state have a responsibility to accept asylum seekers? Unless the asylum seeker travels by boat or airplane directly to their chosen destination? So a Somalian wishing to seek asylum in the UK has to sail up the Red Sea, through the Suez canal, along the length of the Mediterranean Sea, into the Atlantic and up the coast of Spain, Portugal and France into the Channel without stepping foot in any of the countries they have passed before they can be accepted for asylum here? They can be accepted - there is no obligation. The refugee convention was designed to allow people to flee danger - not to get them into the UK |
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