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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 10:34:42 GMT
It is you that has said doctors and nurses fleeing oppression and coming over here are criminals. Your attempt at accusing me of condoning criminality because you have no better argument is palpably dishonest. It is the same type of argument people of your ilk always use to excuse the 'criminal' actions of our government and for reasons of your own you are quite happy to go along with it. I said anyone colluding with criminal gangs are criminals . You want doctors to be excluded. Where does that end? People of your ilk want excuse criminal activity to encourage illegal immigration. When did I say I wanted doctors who have committed criminal acts to be exempted from the law? I never have, you just use lies to cover the fact that your arguments are based on stupid ideas that you have been told.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 10:38:47 GMT
The Shortage Occupation List mentioned in (i) consists of jobs such as doctors, scientists, engineers, paramedics, architects and nurses, as well as some more niche occupations such as dancers and high integrity pipe welders. Most people, whether asylum seekers or members of the general population, lack the skills, training and qualifications that would get them hired in most of these fields. Of course, many asylum seekers did work as doctors and nurses, and in other similar “high-skilled” professions, in their home countries. The problem is that there is no automatic recognition of their qualifications. This means that even applicants who are able to do these jobs are unable to get themselves taken on without undertaking further tests or qualifications in the UK, which is usually unaffordable for someone who depends on asylum support payments. The result is that even when an asylum seeker is given permission to work, the limitations on that employment means that the vast majority of people in this position are still shut out of the workforce, forced to rely on meagre asylum support payments that are often not enough to meet their basic needs. GOV.UK So after all the virtue signalling about doctors migrating to the UK through criminal gangs , you have no evidence of even one doctor doing so . People of your ilk invent false claims to make false platforms to make false arguments. Show significant figures of doctors migrating to the UK illegally . Otherwise it’s quite plain that you made it up. There is your argument gone in the puff of smoke it always was. We cannot find out what 'skills' the asylum seekers have until we process them and we do not process them. You are the one that is claiming, like the right wing press, that all asylum seekers are criminals.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 15, 2023 11:59:23 GMT
Walked passed a mirror again? I believe he was reacting to your post. For me, the smiley emoticon you posted was a dead giveaway, which showed a true ugliness inside. Also, from a manly perspective, and from the few images he has shared over the years, Red is a good looking bloke who wears his heart on his sleave. Those images are conclusive proof that you shouldn't pull a face in case the wind changes. Now that's how you do insults Zany.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 15, 2023 12:08:18 GMT
How many known doctors have arrived in the UK by paying a criminal gang to illegally enter the UK? I have no idea. My question was about your statement. I consider anyone who commits a criminal act to be a criminal. I asked you if there was any exception.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 15, 2023 12:32:14 GMT
What insult's that, Wonky? Baaaaa. So you don't know.
I'll put that down to senility.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 15, 2023 12:48:27 GMT
I said anyone colluding with criminal gangs are criminals . You want doctors to be excluded. Where does that end? People of your ilk want excuse criminal activity to encourage illegal immigration. When did I say I wanted doctors who have committed criminal acts to be exempted from the law? I never have, you just use lies to cover the fact that your arguments are based on stupid ideas that you have been told. You are defending doctors who pay criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 15, 2023 12:52:17 GMT
When did I say I wanted doctors who have committed criminal acts to be exempted from the law? I never have, you just use lies to cover the fact that your arguments are based on stupid ideas that you have been told. You are defending doctors who pay criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK. I feel he's defending the reasons a doctor might pay a criminal gang to get to the UK.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 15, 2023 12:52:48 GMT
How many known doctors have arrived in the UK by paying a criminal gang to illegally enter the UK? I have no idea. My question was about your statement. I consider anyone who commits a criminal act to be a criminal. I asked you if there was any exception. By definition a person who commits a criminal act is a criminal . What part of that do you not understand ? The non point that Red Rum has tried to proffer is that doctors who collude with criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK should be treated different from other criminals. Do you think Doctors who commit criminal acts should treated differently from other criminals.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 15, 2023 12:56:06 GMT
You are defending doctors who pay criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK. I feel he's defending the reasons a doctor might pay a criminal gang to get to the UK. They are leaving a safe country by colluding with criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK. Hes making excuses for all of the criminals illegally entering the UK on a hypothetical platform . He can’t even find out how many doctors are doing it .
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Post by zanygame on Jul 15, 2023 12:59:39 GMT
I have no idea. My question was about your statement. I consider anyone who commits a criminal act to be a criminal. I asked you if there was any exception. By definition a person who commits a criminal act is a criminal . What part of that do you not understand ? The non point that Red Rum has tried to proffer is that doctors who collude with criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK should be treated different from other criminals. Do you think Doctors who commit criminal acts should treated differently from other criminals. I understand that they have not committed a crime until a court or a judge says so. Apparently you don't understand that. So a Doctor escaping death by crossing a border would not be committing a crime unless a court decided he was and that is very unlikely.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 15, 2023 13:06:24 GMT
By definition a person who commits a criminal act is a criminal . What part of that do you not understand ? The non point that Red Rum has tried to proffer is that doctors who collude with criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK should be treated different from other criminals. Do you think Doctors who commit criminal acts should treated differently from other criminals. I understand that they have not committed a crime until a court or a judge says so. Apparently you don't understand that. So a Doctor escaping death by crossing a border would not be committing a crime unless a court decided he was and that is very unlikely. France isn’t going to kill the doctor . Illegally entering the UK by colluding with Criminal gangs of traffickers is a crime .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 13:11:19 GMT
So you don't know.
I'll put that down to senility.
On your part, then.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 15, 2023 13:16:58 GMT
I understand that they have not committed a crime until a court or a judge says so. Apparently you don't understand that. So a Doctor escaping death by crossing a border would not be committing a crime unless a court decided he was and that is very unlikely. France isn’t going to kill the doctor . Illegally entering the UK by colluding with Criminal gangs of traffickers is a crime . I'm not going to rehash that again. If you have not yet understood the laws on seeking asylum by now then you never will.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 13:18:59 GMT
When did I say I wanted doctors who have committed criminal acts to be exempted from the law? I never have, you just use lies to cover the fact that your arguments are based on stupid ideas that you have been told. You are defending doctors who pay criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK. I am not defending anyone, I don't think they should see it necessary to pay smugglers to get them here which we have established is something you would do in their position. Our government closed and is refusing to open safe and legal routes into this country forcing them to seek illegal methods. The idea that they are criminals because they use these routes is an absurdity fuelled by the Tories are right-wing media to enrage a certain section of our citizens. 'Illegal' immigrants is a misnomer, they are asylum seekers coming to this country by 'irregular' routes. You do not argue a point as normal people do but take things out of context, twist them and then tell lies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 13:21:22 GMT
I have no idea. My question was about your statement. I consider anyone who commits a criminal act to be a criminal. I asked you if there was any exception. By definition a person who commits a criminal act is a criminal . What part of that do you not understand ? The non point that Red Rum has tried to proffer is that doctors who collude with criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK should be treated different from other criminals. Do you think Doctors who commit criminal acts should treated differently from other criminals. You are proving my point with every word. Now it's all about doctors because I said "doctors and nurses" in a different context entirely, transparent you are.
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