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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2022 0:34:51 GMT
Statista.com 2-3 years old figures, but I found the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 44,600 pounds a year. Which if costing for 35 years is more than 1.5 million at current day rates. Well we have ~70 whole life or permanently mentally detailed prisoners so that works out at ~£4M a year Jonksy's 'billions' seems to be made up BS |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 30, 2022 1:17:59 GMT
Whitch costs the tax payers billions. So your argument for killing people is it's OK if it's for money. No different from the view a mugger that stabs people has No, the argument is what I have set out repeatedly. It is financially impossible to lock them all away for life, so making an argument for life imprisonment is dishonest. So, the honest argument is: Do you believe in capital punishment, or do you believe murderers should service 20-30 years then be free? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 30, 2022 1:27:06 GMT
Whitch costs the tax payers billions. . No different from the view a mugger that stabs people has Only in your head. |
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Post by brexitcrusader83 on Oct 30, 2022 2:38:58 GMT
Them that say the death penalty deters crime there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. It's known fact the US states that use the death penalty have the highest homicide rates in the Nation. The death penalty is nothing but cold blooded vengeance. It has no place in the 21st century. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 30, 2022 7:19:07 GMT
Them that say the death penalty deters crime there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. Sentences are for punishment, not for deterring others. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 30, 2022 8:55:11 GMT
There was nothing ghoulish about the televised sentence handed down, just a fixed camera on the Judge not the convicted murderer or anyone else, we used to have public executions years ago even for petty offences the masses used to treat it as a holiday to get drunk, especially if it was a well-known person even Royalty.
When we did have the death penalty it did not stop murders, locking them up for ever is the most humane method
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 9:33:59 GMT
Statista.com 2-3 years old figures, but I found the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 44,600 pounds a year. Which if costing for 35 years is more than 1.5 million at current day rates. Well we have ~70 whole life or permanently mentally detailed prisoners so that works out at ~£4M a year Jonksy's 'billions' seems to be made up BS Not sure what a permanently mentally detailed prisoner is, Steve. If you mean 70 whole life tariff prisoners, 4£4m a year is peanuts. I would never argue for capital punishment based on cost. I would argue for capital punishment to save future lives, of those that are killed by convicted murderers in prison, and those that are killed by convicted murderers after they are released. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 9:37:41 GMT
It's known fact the US states that use the death penalty have the highest homicide rates in the Nation. The death penalty is nothing but cold blooded vengeance. It has no place in the 21st century. In an ideal 21st century there would be no murders. If we lived in that ideal 21st century the death penalty would not even be considered. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2022 13:21:43 GMT
Not sure what a permanently mentally detailed prisoner is, Steve. If you mean 70 whole life tariff prisoners, 4£4m a year is peanuts. I would never argue for capital punishment based on cost. I would argue for capital punishment to save future lives, of those that are killed by convicted murderers in prison, and those that are killed by convicted murderers after they are released. Well i did give the link. They say 'As of 30 June 2020 there were 63 whole-life prisoners and an additional three life prisoners being treated in secure hospitals.'I never said £4M was peanuts. I said the claim of £billions was BS and I backed that with the evidence. As for your 'I would argue for capital punishment to save future lives,' is there any evidence to back that? There's a wealth of 'it must do' and 'actually it doesn't' anecdotal views out there but the only statistical data is if anything suggestive it makes things worse. Canada a broadly similar economy to the USA abolished it in the 1970s and their murder rate reduced and is less than half that of the USA. Studies of with and without USA states have shown those with have higher murder rates. Of course that could be because the 'with' states have it because of their murder rate but it certainly shows it's very ineffective. And as I posted before, there's what Enoch Powell pointed out about the willingness of juries to convict |
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