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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2022 18:30:12 GMT
Whitch costs the tax payers billions. How many people are in prison on whole life tariffs and what is the weighted average cost per head per annum to keep them incarcerated? What did your last slave die of? Look it up yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 18:34:34 GMT
Statista.com
2-3 years old figures, but I found the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 44,600 pounds a year.
Which if costing for 35 years is more than 1.5 million at current day rates.
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Post by colbops on Oct 29, 2022 18:50:23 GMT
How many people are in prison on whole life tariffs and what is the weighted average cost per head per annum to keep them incarcerated? What did your last slave die of? Look it up yourself. You are the one making the claim so its down to you to back it up. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 29, 2022 18:57:11 GMT
If money comes into it why should we provide health care for the 85s or even stop medical care who's health problems are down to there own life style.
I has a tax payer demand we don't send them with minor offences to prison that way we ease the burden on the prison service and inturn lower prison cost
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 29, 2022 19:00:22 GMT
If money comes into it why should we provide health care for the 85s or even stop medical care who's health problems are down to there own life style.
I has a tax payer demand we don't send them with minor offences to prison that way we ease the burden on the prison service and inturn lower prison cost
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Post by colbops on Oct 29, 2022 19:02:12 GMT
Statista.com 2-3 years old figures, but I found the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 44,600 pounds a year. Which if costing for 35 years is more than 1.5 million at current day rates. OK so lets look at this in the only reasonable way possible with the level of information at our disposal. We take the latest figure for those on whole of life tariffs, which is 60. It is costing somewhere in the region of £2,676,000 per year to keep those on whole of life tariffs in prison The standard for state sanctioned murder is going to be extremely high, absolutely no doubt can exist, getting it wrong can't ever be a possibility. So lets say that's 20% of cases to be generous. There are therefore probably 12 people in prison that would get the chop, saving around half a million a year. That is chicken feed. I'd suggest giving the state the right to murder members of society for the sake of saving half a million a year simply isn't worth it. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 29, 2022 20:17:26 GMT
I'm all for whole of life sentences (And even execution in some cases.) but I thought the idea of televising the sentencing was a bit ghoulish. Somewhat like public executions I thought. No blood spilt so IMHO a good move. Sentences should (amongst other things) be able deterring others from offending so this level of coverage could be good Can't see the benefit of televising it If it catches on maybe bookmakers will start taking bets on the outcome? (even more ghoulish) |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2022 20:21:57 GMT
What did your last slave die of? Look it up yourself. You are the one making the claim so its down to you to back it up. You are the one who is arguing when others have posted the cost. Did you fail to read those posts? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 29, 2022 20:41:20 GMT
Them that say the death penalty deters crime
there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2022 20:53:48 GMT
Them that say the death penalty deters crimethere is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. I don't think anyone on here have stated that it did deter crime. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2022 20:59:25 GMT
Statista.com 2-3 years old figures, but I found the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 44,600 pounds a year. Which if costing for 35 years is more than 1.5 million at current day rates. OK so lets look at this in the only reasonable way possible with the level of information at our disposal. We take the latest figure for those on whole of life tariffs, which is 60. It is costing somewhere in the region of £2,676,000 per year to keep those on whole of life tariffs in prison The standard for state sanctioned murder is going to be extremely high, absolutely no doubt can exist, getting it wrong can't ever be a possibility. So lets say that's 20% of cases to be generous. There are therefore probably 12 people in prison that would get the chop, saving around half a million a year.
That is chicken feed. I'd suggest giving the state the right to murder members of society for the sake of saving half a million a year simply isn't worth it. How much value would you put on your own life or a member of your family? And it's not just the price of keeping them in prison, look what it costs the tax payers in their defence in our courts of law. |
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Post by colbops on Oct 29, 2022 21:09:11 GMT
OK so lets look at this in the only reasonable way possible with the level of information at our disposal. We take the latest figure for those on whole of life tariffs, which is 60. It is costing somewhere in the region of £2,676,000 per year to keep those on whole of life tariffs in prison The standard for state sanctioned murder is going to be extremely high, absolutely no doubt can exist, getting it wrong can't ever be a possibility. So lets say that's 20% of cases to be generous. There are therefore probably 12 people in prison that would get the chop, saving around half a million a year.
That is chicken feed. I'd suggest giving the state the right to murder members of society for the sake of saving half a million a year simply isn't worth it. How much value would you put on your own life or a member of your family? And it's not just the price of keeping them in prison, look what it costs the tax payers in their defence in our courts of law. A lot more than you it seems and unless you are suggesting that the state should be murdering people without bothering with niceties like trials that cost is immaterial. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2022 22:22:09 GMT
How much value would you put on your own life or a member of your family? And it's not just the price of keeping them in prison, look what it costs the tax payers in their defence in our courts of law. and unless you are suggesting that the state should be murdering people without bothering with niceties like trials that cost is immaterial. So that is just an assumption on your part. How can capital punishment be deemed as state murder? The word punishment is the clue......I suppose you support these soft sentences, it seems these days our prisons are more like 5 star hotels rather than a form of punishment.....All this faux concern would be comendable if it was sincere......What compassion have those who murder shown for their victims? |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 29, 2022 23:52:02 GMT
Nobody argues for capital punishment vs let them out on license after minimum tariff. They argue for execution vs life imprisonment, which is a bullshit argument because life imprisonment is unaffordable.
I already explained this, CAT A prisoners are £60k per year and the average murderer is 30 years old. 50 years x £60k x 600 murders per year = £2b.
The current system is basically one murderer in, one released, with a couple of hundred who are never allowed out, so the costs are a lot smaller.
So... when you argue against capital punishment you are arguing for murderers to be released on license.
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2022 0:30:33 GMT
There never is 'no doubt' And as Enoch Powell pointed out, you have the death penalty you get lower conviction rates of murderer who are then free to kill again. It's not just immoral, it's counter productive. Full life tariffs are the way.Whitch costs the tax payers billions. So your argument for killing people is it's OK if it's for money. No different from the view a mugger that stabs people has |
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