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Post by patman post on Jul 6, 2023 8:30:49 GMT
How can the cabinet office 'investigation' find Sue Gray 'guilty' if she did not cooperate with them? Sue Gray went through the proper channels and was found to have broken no rules and was cleared to work with Starmer. The article you are citing says as much and even the cabinet office have said it is only on 'first impressions' that she is 'guilty. You really need to read the articles that you use instead of just jumping at the headlines. Former official Sue Gray broke civil service rules after failing to declare contact with Labour over a job offer, a Cabinet Office inquiry has found. Ms Gray, who led a probe into lockdown parties in Downing Street, was cleared to work for Labour by Parliament's appointments adviser last week. In the << www.gov.uk/government/organisations/cabinet-office >> site you’ll see it unequivocally says: We support the Prime Minister and ensure the effective running of government. We are also the corporate headquarters for government, in partnership with HM Treasury, and we take the lead in certain critical policy areas.So there’s every chance Cabinet Office would support the government — despite the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba) saying it had seen “no evidence” that her decision making or impartiality was “impaired” while serving in Whitehall. Acoba only advised a six-month pause from Sue Gray’s last day, meaning she can start with Sir Keir in early September… |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 6, 2023 9:30:06 GMT
They investigated it to see if she had broken rules, because she was overseeing a case that had allegedly broken Covid lockdown rules, how can you have someone investigating someone else when they themselves are breaking a different set of rules.
You being a lefty, do you believe it should only be the Tories investigated for rule breaking, and the lefties should be allowed to break rules, including those who oversee inquiries in to rule breaking?
It was not their job. They did not speak to Starmer or Gray but came to a 'conclusion' anyway. Anyone, in my opinion, should be investigated if 'foul play' is suspected, regardless of political persuasion and there are 'proper' channels established to do just that, so why did the Tories feel the need to 'change the rules' again? Being a lefty has nothing, therefore, to do with it. So fucking what woke wonky? She broke the rules just like smarmer and his 2 bit slapper. I cant wait for your snivelling BS when the truth outs... |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 10:30:38 GMT
You need to catch up with current news.
Sue Gray broke civil service rules over Labour job, government says
Government says, what do you expect them to say? The cabinet office does not deal with the issues of civil servants leaving their jobs that is ACOBA's job. Why were the cabinet office dealing with this?They are ones who deal with violations of the Civil Service code - ACOBA only deal with Civil Servents who are leaving public service. The clue is in the name. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:43:00 GMT
It was not their job. They did not speak to Starmer or Gray but came to a 'conclusion' anyway. Anyone, in my opinion, should be investigated if 'foul play' is suspected, regardless of political persuasion and there are 'proper' channels established to do just that, so why did the Tories feel the need to 'change the rules' again? Being a lefty has nothing, therefore, to do with it. So fucking what woke wonky? She broke the rules just like smarmer and his 2 bit slapper. I cant wait for your snivelling BS when the truth outs... The difference is that 'if' a truth comes out to show I am wrong I will correct my mistake you on the other had will just continue lying. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 6, 2023 10:44:28 GMT
So fucking what woke wonky? She broke the rules just like smarmer and his 2 bit slapper. I cant wait for your snivelling BS when the truth outs... The difference is that 'if' a truth comes out to show I am wrong I will correct my mistake you on the other had will just continue lying. When have you ever been correct woke wonky? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:47:02 GMT
Government says, what do you expect them to say? The cabinet office does not deal with the issues of civil servants leaving their jobs that is ACOBA's job. Why were the cabinet office dealing with this?They are ones who deal with violations of the Civil Service code - ACOBA only deal with Civil Servents who are leaving public service. The clue is in the name. The clue is in your answer "ACOBA only deal with Civil Servants who are leaving public service". "The Civil Service Code is sometimes confused with the Civil Service Management Code (also issued by the Cabinet Office) which deals with the management of the Civil Service terms and conditions of employment etc". CSC |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 10:53:08 GMT
They are ones who deal with violations of the Civil Service code - ACOBA only deal with Civil Servents who are leaving public service. The clue is in the name.
"The Civil Service Code is sometimes confused with the Civil Service Management Code (also issued by the Cabinet Office) which deals with the management of the Civil Service terms and conditions of employment etc". CSC Exactly - you are finally getting it....  Advisory Committee on Business Appointments
The Advisory Committee on Business Appointments is a non-departmental public body in the United Kingdom, which was set up in 1975 to provide advice on applications from the most senior Crown servants who wish to take up outside appointments after they leave Crown service |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 11:02:37 GMT
The clue is in your answer "ACOBA only deal with Civil Servants who are leaving public service".
"The Civil Service Code is sometimes confused with the Civil Service Management Code (also issued by the Cabinet Office) which deals with the management of the Civil Service terms and conditions of employment etc". CSC Exactly - you are finally getting it.... Advisory Committee on Business Appointments
The Advisory Committee on Business Appointments is a non-departmental public body in the United Kingdom, which was set up in 1975 to provide advice on applications from the most senior Crown servants who wish to take up outside appointments after they leave Crown serviceNo, I think finally you have got it, as your statement says it is a ACOBA none governmental body and the cabinet office is. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 17:01:42 GMT
Exactly - you are finally getting it.... Advisory Committee on Business Appointments
The Advisory Committee on Business Appointments is a non-departmental public body in the United Kingdom, which was set up in 1975 to provide advice on applications from the most senior Crown servants who wish to take up outside appointments after they leave Crown serviceNo, I think finally you have got it, as your statement says it is a ACOBA none governmental body and the cabinet office is. Which is precisely why the Cabinet Office deal with violations of the Civil service code and not ACOBA. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 6:36:34 GMT
No, I think finally you have got it, as your statement says it is a ACOBA none governmental body and the cabinet office is. Which is precisely why the Cabinet Office deal with violations of the Civil service code and not ACOBA. The cabinet office has a vested interest in the result, ACOBA are 'independent'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 6:40:47 GMT
On the face of it.
without necessarily knowing all of the relevant facts; at first glance.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 6:42:33 GMT
Which is precisely why the Cabinet Office deal with violations of the Civil service code and not ACOBA. The cabinet office has a vested interest in the result, ACOBA are 'independent'. ACOBA are not interested in the Civil Service code - they only have an interest in people who are leaving the Civil Service.. ..the clue is in the name.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 6:47:55 GMT
The cabinet office has a vested interest in the result, ACOBA are 'independent'. ACOBA are not interested in the Civil Service code - they only have an interest in people who are leaving the Civil Service.. ..the clue is in the name.. On the face of it. without necessarily knowing all of the relevant facts; at first glance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 7:57:26 GMT
The cabinet office has a vested interest in the result, ACOBA are 'independent'. ACOBA are not interested in the Civil Service code - they only have an interest in people who are leaving the Civil Service.. ..the clue is in the name.. In a written ministerial statement about the Whitehall probe into the partygate investigator on Monday, Cabinet Office minister Jeremy Quin said: “I can now confirm that the Cabinet Office process looking into the circumstances leading up to Ms Gray’s resignation has been concluded. “As part of the process, Ms Gray was given the opportunity to make representations but chose not to do so. “This process, led by the Civil Service, found that the Civil Service code was prima facie broken as a result of the undeclared contact between Ms Gray and the Leader of the Opposition. “The rules and guidance that govern the conduct of civil servants are clear and transparent. It is deeply unfortunate that events have transpired in this way.” |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 7, 2023 8:49:39 GMT
If Gray had not resigned got in first, she would have been sacked the end.
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