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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 2, 2023 10:04:45 GMT
No thomas, it's not a red herring.
In farages case specifically , this is a red herring. We dont know the reason why his business account was closed . In many of the other cases , the wings over scotland one in particualr as an example it was a personal accout closed.
Different accounts , ,no reason given , and the only thing linking these people is political views that dont appear to fit with the establishead narrative.
We all know labours chris brant made the accusation about farage taking half a million of dirty russian money. As far as im aware , thats all it is at the moment. Yet more labour muppets making pathetic accusations.
Trying to imply this is all just run of the mill safety checks and balances , nothing to see here is laughable john.
Thomas, you’ve got the wrong end of the stick there. I have tried, particularly in my last post, to point out what the establishment can, and will, do to the officers and cannon fodder all the way down to me if an order to take these measures comes down the line FROM GOVERNMENT through the financial chain of command to sanction someone. All the way through this thread a line seemed to me being taken that it was the banks themselves doing this for reasons of spite and that is entirely the spin farage is putting. The view where i sit is very, very different. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 10:10:16 GMT
In farages case specifically , this is a red herring. We dont know the reason why his business account was closed . In many of the other cases , the wings over scotland one in particualr as an example it was a personal accout closed.
Different accounts , ,no reason given , and the only thing linking these people is political views that dont appear to fit with the establishead narrative.
We all know labours chris brant made the accusation about farage taking half a million of dirty russian money. As far as im aware , thats all it is at the moment. Yet more labour muppets making pathetic accusations.
Trying to imply this is all just run of the mill safety checks and balances , nothing to see here is laughable john.
Thomas, you’ve got the wrong end of the stick there. I have tried, particularly in my last post, to point out what the establishment can, and will, do to the officers and cannon fodder all the way down to me if an order to take these measures comes down the line FROM GOVERNMENT through the financial chain of command to sanction someone. All the way through this thread a line seemed to me being taken that it was the banks themselves doing this for reasons of spite and that is entirely the spin farage is putting. The view where i sit is very, very different. John im not. I admit sometimes i do struggle to find the point in your post , but i think we are all well aware of what the establishment can or will do . We are well aware banks are mere tools as you imply for higher powers .
I think you need to address your posts to those who are telling us that there is nothing to see here , its just routine checks and balances by banks who are innocent of all wrongdoing and merely following the laws .
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Post by zanygame on Jul 2, 2023 10:13:26 GMT
Indeed, which might hint as to why his business account was closed. 24,000 bank accounts were closed last year for suspicious activity and suspected money laundering. Suspected and suspicious suggest there was no proof. I assume proof is followed by prosecution. I think its highly unlikely that banks shut down 24,000 accounts out of spite or differences of opinion. Fact is Farage's bank are not allowed to discuss the reason they shut his account unless he gives them permission. So come on Nigel, lets hear both sides of the story. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 2, 2023 10:14:39 GMT
I believe Banks are obliged to inform account holders when and why their account is being dropped. That appears not to have happened. We only have Nigel's word for that. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 10:16:19 GMT
That appears not to have happened. We only have Nigel's word for that. and the guy at wings , and numerous others in terms of their account closures. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 10:19:23 GMT
Suspected and suspicious suggest there was no proof. I assume proof is followed by prosecution. I think its highly unlikely that banks shut down 24,000 accounts out of spite or differences of opinion. Fact is Farage's bank are not allowed to discuss the reason they shut his account unless he gives them permission. So come on Nigel, lets hear both sides of the story. you say proof followed by prosecution. In terms of farage and others mentioned, can you show me proof , or where any prosecution is taking place?
again a red herring. The bank should give the account holder a reason why they are closing the account , and in numerous cases as stated ad nauseum this hasnt happened.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 10:29:05 GMT
Bank asks customer for feedback - he gives them feedback which they do not like so close his account..  |
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Post by Toreador on Jul 2, 2023 11:14:27 GMT
Suspected and suspicious suggest there was no proof. I assume proof is followed by prosecution. I think its highly unlikely that banks shut down 24,000 accounts out of spite or differences of opinion. Fact is Farage's bank are not allowed to discuss the reason they shut his account unless he gives them permission. So come on Nigel, lets hear both sides of the story. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 11:16:22 GMT
Bank asks customer for feedback - he gives them feedback which they do not like so close his account.. saw that pacifico.
On the points made above in this thread, im reading on twitter like what is being done in the farage case , individuals are clamining the same about the guy at wings.
The allegations is that wings had his personal account closed due to court orders , and money frozen as routine investigation. Stuart campbell says this is all lies , there were no court orders , nothing frozen due to any law , and that his account was closed once more without any reason given , so he has simply moved his money elsewhere.
The levels some folk will stoop to to justify tyranny.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 2, 2023 11:19:09 GMT
Suspected and suspicious suggest there was no proof. I assume proof is followed by prosecution. I think its highly unlikely that banks shut down 24,000 accounts out of spite or differences of opinion. Fact is Farage's bank are not allowed to discuss the reason they shut his account unless he gives them permission. So come on Nigel, lets hear both sides of the story. Don’t they? In the war of religious beliefs lgbqt activists and brexiteers people are being targeted by financial institutions who close accounts because of pressure and people’s beliefs. So there’s the vicar who questioned YB’s pride stance who promptly closed his accounts based on his what they call discriminatory views. Then there’s the Christian therapy group who promoted conversion therapy for gays,lqbtq groups (who themselves promote gender conversion therapy) pressured Barclays who promptly closed the account. The Christian group took them to court Barclays folded and paid compo. Now I don’t subscribe to any of these peoples views but that’s not the point,it all comes back to the right to hold differing views without being penalised by financial institutions. Below is a link to the Christian groups story the vicars and others, The silence from some on here regarding this is deafening www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/01/brexiteers-and-gender-critical-vicar-bank-accounts-pulled/let’s not forget the brexiteers here targeted for the temerity of winning a referendum or the Scots guy for promoting one. Also a section from that link regarding the Christian group |
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Post by Toreador on Jul 2, 2023 11:20:29 GMT
I assume proof is followed by prosecution. I think its highly unlikely that banks shut down 24,000 accounts out of spite or differences of opinion. Fact is Farage's bank are not allowed to discuss the reason they shut his account unless he gives them permission. So come on Nigel, lets hear both sides of the story. If you want both sides of the story, you need to ask the bank, if you think Nigel is hiding something tell us what it is and call him a liar. No proof has thusfar been provided and assumptions aren't permissible. Try to get it right just for once. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 12:09:40 GMT
If you want both sides of the story, you need to ask the bank, if you think Nigel is hiding something tell us what it is and call him a liar. No proof has thusfar been provided and assumptions aren't permissible. Try to get it right just for once. There's big support for the government and banks on this forum from the Labour/EU lot. They may report you. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 2, 2023 12:31:42 GMT
I assume proof is followed by prosecution. I think its highly unlikely that banks shut down 24,000 accounts out of spite or differences of opinion. Fact is Farage's bank are not allowed to discuss the reason they shut his account unless he gives them permission. So come on Nigel, lets hear both sides of the story.
no I can't, but then I never said there was either proof or prosecution. My whole point was that the bar for closing an account is far lower than that needed for prosecution. Hence the use of the word suspect.
Again, we only have Farage's account of what happened. He could easily free up the bank to give their side of the story. He could give them permission to publish.
Then if they offered no comment we could draw our own conclusions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 12:43:52 GMT
If this establishment had any dirt on him it would be plastered throughout the establishment's MSM by now and repeated as mantra.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 2, 2023 13:36:39 GMT
If this establishment had any dirt on him it would be plastered throughout the establishment's MSM by now and repeated as mantra. It cracks me up just how many people, businesses, charities, protest groups, broadcasters, public bodies and politicians are supposed to be part of the establishment. |
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