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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:11:16 GMT
One parliament cannot bind another. The parliament that legislated the Act of Union cannot bind a modern Parliament. Therefore, any provisions giving Scottish courts the right to make law in the Act of Union can be repealed. Westminster could only repeal a law that applies to Scotland if there was a UK-wide law. Therefore, your claim that there isn’t UK-wide law is completely and utterly incorrect. the act of union isnt a parliament that is binding another parliament. Its a treaty that created the united kingdom. The very bedrock that the whole uk sits on.
Thats what holds the uk togather , and the fact the so called sovereign uk parliament hasnt dared tinker with those acts in three centuries tells us the truth of what im saying.
If it could, it could do away with the scottish legal system , laws , education system and create a uk wide system that would make you comfortable in your pronouncements and of course more correct when you talk of uk law. Im not aware of too many so called countires arounf the world that have differing legal systems , or dont even issue basic things like brith certificates.
you admitted earlier there wasnt a uk wide law , and now you backtrack again?
you can legislate as a uk lawmaker on reserved matters for example in westmsinter , but those are then passed into scottish law. Hence there is no uk wide law. Its not a difficult principle to understand darling.
why do you think there is always a scotland act ? for example the creation of the nhs in scotland was passed by uk lawmakers , who legisalted into scottish law using a seperate (scotland ) act compared to the english and welsh one in 1947?
If there was one uk wide law ,you wouldnt need seperate acts ?
This is basic stuff that goes back to 1707 . It should be widely understood and accepted , and the fact this isnt is shocking dereliction of education and awareness.
The Act of Union is a parliamentary act. The clue is in the word 'Act' in 'Act of Union'. If the Scottish Parliament is an independent source of law, it could legislate for Scottish independence. But it isn't, so it can't. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:12:15 GMT
One parliament cannot bind another. sure thats a given of modern democracy. Whats controversial ?
dear god above. It wasnt a single parliament that legisalted on the acts of union , but two parliaments in two countries.
Well, then, it's open to the Scottish Parliament to enact a law that makes Scotland independent. Let's see how that works out. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 12:21:54 GMT
the act of union isnt a parliament that is binding another parliament. Its a treaty that created the united kingdom. The very bedrock that the whole uk sits on.
Thats what holds the uk togather , and the fact the so called sovereign uk parliament hasnt dared tinker with those acts in three centuries tells us the truth of what im saying.
If it could, it could do away with the scottish legal system , laws , education system and create a uk wide system that would make you comfortable in your pronouncements and of course more correct when you talk of uk law. Im not aware of too many so called countires arounf the world that have differing legal systems , or dont even issue basic things like brith certificates.
you admitted earlier there wasnt a uk wide law , and now you backtrack again?
you can legislate as a uk lawmaker on reserved matters for example in westmsinter , but those are then passed into scottish law. Hence there is no uk wide law. Its not a difficult principle to understand darling.
why do you think there is always a scotland act ? for example the creation of the nhs in scotland was passed by uk lawmakers , who legisalted into scottish law using a seperate (scotland ) act compared to the english and welsh one in 1947?
If there was one uk wide law ,you wouldnt need seperate acts ?
This is basic stuff that goes back to 1707 . It should be widely understood and accepted , and the fact this isnt is shocking dereliction of education and awareness.
The Act of Union is a parliamentary act. The clue is in the word 'Act' in 'Act of Union'. which parliament? It was passed by two different parliaments in two differnt countries? Did you think the uk parliament in westmsinter passed the act creating the uk before the uk existed? |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 30, 2023 12:21:58 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:23:33 GMT
The Act of Union is a parliamentary act. The clue is in the word 'Act' in 'Act of Union'. which parliament? It was passed by two different parliaments in two differnt countries? Did you think the uk parliament in westmsinter passed the act creating the uk before the uk existed? Fine. If Scotland isn't subject to UK-wide law, it can legally declare independence. I wonder why none of your mates ever thought of that. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 12:25:07 GMT
sure thats a given of modern democracy. Whats controversial ?
dear god above. It wasnt a single parliament that legisalted on the acts of union , but two parliaments in two countries.
Well, then, it's open to the Scottish Parliament to enact a law that makes Scotland independent. Let's see how that works out. no because your ignorance shines thorugh again .The sovereignty of a parliament is an english principle that has no counterpart in scottish law. In scotland the people not the parliament are sovereign. we digress though from your peurile arguments.
This thread is starting to resemble that thread where you took the piss out of benny for his views on religion , till we found out you yourself believed a man could become a woman and the whole forum laughed at your hypocrisy.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 12:27:15 GMT
which parliament? It was passed by two different parliaments in two differnt countries? Did you think the uk parliament in westmsinter passed the act creating the uk before the uk existed? Fine. If Scotland isn't subject to UK-wide law, it can legally declare independence. I wonder why none of your mates ever thought of that. you arent getting this whole thing are you? Scotland is subject to uk wide legislation on reserved matters , but that is passed into scottish law as uk law doesnt exist.
countires dont become independent because someone waves a magic wand and decalre them legaally able to do so. It happens when the prople of that country by majority want it , and the international community come to accept it.
We again digress .
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:30:39 GMT
Well, then, it's open to the Scottish Parliament to enact a law that makes Scotland independent. Let's see how that works out. no because your ignorance shines thorugh again .The sovereignty of a parliament is an english principle that has no counterpart in scottish law. In scotland the people not the parliament are sovereign. we digress though from your peurile arguments.
This thread is starting to resemble that thread where you took the piss out of Bentley for his views on religion , till we found out you yourself believed a man could become a woman and the whole forum laughed at your hypocrisy.
Oh, I see. You don't recognise the authority of Westminster. Well, that's all well and good, but how do the Scottish courts feel about Westminster? Will they take your view that the Constitution doesn't apply to Scotland? I doubt it. It's worth a shot, though. Start crowd-funding now. It won't be long before you have enough money to test your thesis before a Scottish court. A word of warning, though: don't use the same lawyers the Scottish nats have used in the past. They're clearly not as well versed in the law as you. If they had your expertise, they would have made that very fine legal argument you put forward above. In fact, why don't you argue the case before the court? |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 12:36:04 GMT
no because your ignorance shines thorugh again .The sovereignty of a parliament is an english principle that has no counterpart in scottish law. In scotland the people not the parliament are sovereign. we digress though from your peurile arguments.
This thread is starting to resemble that thread where you took the piss out of Bentley for his views on religion , till we found out you yourself believed a man could become a woman and the whole forum laughed at your hypocrisy.
Oh, I see. You don't recognise the authority of Westminster. Well, that's all well and good, but how do the Scottish courts feel about Westminster? Will they take your view that the Constitution doesn't apply to Scotland? I doubt it. It's worth a shot, though. Start crowd-funding now. It won't be long before you have enough money to test your thesis before a Scottish court. A word of warning, though: don't use the same lawyers the Scottish nats have used in the past. They're clearly not as well versed in the law as you. If they had your expertise, they would have made that very fine legal argument you put forward above. In fact, why don't you argue the case before the court? eh?
my personal views are irrelevant to the fact uk law does not and never has existed in 316 years.
the scottish courts enact scottish law as legisalted on by both holyrood and westmsinter. Im not sure feelings come into it. what constitution? Two people on this very thread have told you ther is no such thing as a uk constitution . You tell me one minute parliament cant be bound by the treaty of union , then the next argue its bound by some imaginary uk constituion.
like uk law , its a figment of your imagination and lack of education.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 30, 2023 12:39:39 GMT
There's still no developed doctrine of good faith in Scottish law. Thanks for the history lesson, though. here to help darling. i learned that there was no such thing as "uk law" in primary school. admittedly it was a primary on a glaswegian council estate. Even so , they appear to have done a stupendous job of informing me of the basics of the uk multi national state.
There's no kind of law at all on a Glaswegian council estate is there Braveheart?  |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:40:51 GMT
Oh, I see. You don't recognise the authority of Westminster. Well, that's all well and good, but how do the Scottish courts feel about Westminster? Will they take your view that the Constitution doesn't apply to Scotland? I doubt it. It's worth a shot, though. Start crowd-funding now. It won't be long before you have enough money to test your thesis before a Scottish court. A word of warning, though: don't use the same lawyers the Scottish nats have used in the past. They're clearly not as well versed in the law as you. If they had your expertise, they would have made that very fine legal argument you put forward above. In fact, why don't you argue the case before the court? eh?
my personal views are irrelevant to the fact uk law does not and never has existed in 316 years.
the scottish courts enact scottish law as legisalted on by both holyrood and westmsinter. Im not sure feelings come into it. what constitution? Two people on this very thread have told you ther is no such thing as a uk constitution . You tell me one minute parliament cant be bound by the treaty of union , then the next argue its bound by some imaginary uk constituion.
like uk law , its a figment of your imagination and lack of education.
Be sure to provide a link to your crowd funding page, Toejam. We'll all throw in a few quid (that's assuming you aren't going to put your ingenious legal argument to the court yourself). |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 12:45:53 GMT
here to help darling. i learned that there was no such thing as "uk law" in primary school. admittedly it was a primary on a glaswegian council estate. Even so , they appear to have done a stupendous job of informing me of the basics of the uk multi national state.
There's no kind of law at all on a Glaswegian council estate is there Braveheart? i doth protest monte.
we drink copious amounts of merlot , and eat the finest delicacies , in high scottish society , while protected by our civilised scottish law , unlike the vulgar english council estates and their lawllessness.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:47:44 GMT
There's no kind of law at all on a Glaswegian council estate is there Braveheart? i doth protest monte.
we drink copious amounts of merlot , and eat the finest delicacies , in high scottish society , while protected by our civilised scottish law , unlike the vulgar english council estates and their lawllessness.
There’s the law as it is outlined on some obscure Scot nat gammon website and there is the law as it is collected in legal textbooks and applied by the judiciary. You favour the former. Good man! |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 12:49:09 GMT
eh?
my personal views are irrelevant to the fact uk law does not and never has existed in 316 years.
the scottish courts enact scottish law as legisalted on by both holyrood and westmsinter. Im not sure feelings come into it. what constitution? Two people on this very thread have told you ther is no such thing as a uk constitution . You tell me one minute parliament cant be bound by the treaty of union , then the next argue its bound by some imaginary uk constituion.
like uk law , its a figment of your imagination and lack of education.
Be sure to provide a link to your crowd funding page, Toejam. We'll all throw in a few quid (that's assuming you aren't going to put your ingenious legal argument to the court yourself). what legal arguemtns are they darling? im giving you fact , and helping you for free to understand the basics of your uk state . Im not a lawyer , but even someone as humble and from impoverished origins as myself learned that uk law and the uk keep it mate. Im pretty sure you are going to need it if sir kid starver and his new labour minions get into power and further trash the uk economy.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 12:51:33 GMT
what legal arguemtns are they darling? im giving you fact , and helping you for free to understand the basics of your uk state . Im not a lawyer , but even someone as humble and from impoverished origins as myself learned that uk law and the uk
As I said: the courts will apply the law as collected in legal textbooks and traditionally applied by the judiciary. I wish you the best of luck with your court case. Shame none of the actual lawyers who represented the Scots nats in the past didn't go to your school. |
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