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Post by Orac on Jul 29, 2023 10:11:52 GMT
Presumably via a bank employee uttering it. Amusingly, this statement is technically true as soon as anyone says it. This is very unprofessional stuff. There's any number of ways it could have become public knowledge. The bank obviously decided it didn't want to take that risk. And Coutts have nothing at all to do with the manfrog's reputation as a disingenuous grifter. That's entirely his own work. You misunderstood me The statement is self confirming. If I say you are perceived as dishonest, it's technically true and empty. The sloppy language reveals the self indulgent thinking I would say these people's strong personal dislike of Mr Farage represented a conflict of interest. They should have been given jobs in which this conflict wasn't an issue. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 29, 2023 10:28:12 GMT
There's any number of ways it could have become public knowledge. The bank obviously decided it didn't want to take that risk. And Coutts have nothing at all to do with the manfrog's reputation as a disingenuous grifter. That's entirely his own work. You misunderstood me The statement is self confirming. If I say you are perceived as dishonest, it's technically true and empty. The sloppy language reveals the self indulgent thinking I would say these people's strong personal dislike of Mr Farage represented a conflict of interest. They should have been given jobs in which this conflict wasn't an issue. The manfrog is perceived to be a disingenuous grifter. It's just a fact. Of course, there was a conflict of interest. The bank's interests conflicted with the manfrog's. Nobody's denying that. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 29, 2023 10:31:32 GMT
You misunderstood me The statement is self confirming. If I say you are perceived as dishonest, it's technically true and empty. The sloppy language reveals the self indulgent thinking I would say these people's strong personal dislike of Mr Farage represented a conflict of interest. They should have been given jobs in which this conflict wasn't an issue. The manfrog is perceived to be a disingenuous grifter. It's just a fact. My point is it has to be a fact because you said it. Sloppy and unprofessional stuff |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 10:34:32 GMT
Right, so after a hundred and something pages, can I summarise : Nigel is going to be PM Gina Miller is going to be deputy Everyone should be entitled to a Coutts account. Is that about right? You forgot about the squillions Hobo Nige has coming his way. Let's hope it's paid by cheque or bank transfer. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 29, 2023 10:37:29 GMT
The manfrog is perceived to be a disingenuous grifter. It's just a fact. My point is it has to be a fact because you said it. Sloppy and unprofessional stuff It was a fact before they said it. The manfrog was perceived as a disingenuous grifter long before anyone at Coutts made that observation. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 29, 2023 10:42:53 GMT
Right, so after a hundred and something pages, can I summarise : Nigel is going to be PM Gina Miller is going to be deputy Everyone should be entitled to a Coutts account. Is that about right? It's not about having a Coutts account, because now we know the NatWest and other commercial banks have the same practice.
Where will it end?
They will be picking and choosing who can have personal/business loans, and mortgages, and other financial products, even if they fit the required criteria, but denied access on the grounds of their political views.
The banks in theory could dictate where those of certain politics can buy properties, where and what businesses they can operate, don't you see what road this is going down?
NatWest offered him a personal account. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 29, 2023 10:45:56 GMT
You missed: The fascistic left are still attempting an argument that they've already lost. It's a fundamental issue for many of them. They can't let it go If using giant corporate power to crush the rights of captive populations isn't noble, the whole bolshi project becomes morally suspect And the useful idiots always imagine themselves on the winning side when even their erstwhile heroine Gina Miller finds herself disenfranchised. That's a whole new level of stupidity right there. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 29, 2023 10:51:41 GMT
NatWest offered him a personal account. No, as before, his business accounts were shut down and he was offered a basic personal account instead. Not the same thing. Now do keep up, Andy. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 29, 2023 10:52:27 GMT
It's not about having a Coutts account, because now we know the NatWest and other commercial banks have the same practice.
Where will it end?
They will be picking and choosing who can have personal/business loans, and mortgages, and other financial products, even if they fit the required criteria, but denied access on the grounds of their political views.
The banks in theory could dictate where those of certain politics can buy properties, where and what businesses they can operate, don't you see what road this is going down?
NatWest offered him a personal account. A personal account isn't a business account, Gina Miller like Farage was denied a business account, you can go to the post office if you just want a run of the mill account. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 29, 2023 10:56:03 GMT
My point is it has to be a fact because you said it. Sloppy and unprofessional stuff It was a fact before they said it. The manfrog was perceived as a disingenuous grifter long before anyone at Coutts made that observation. Yes. By yourself. A person acting professionally wont value this sort of thing very much at all. If you feel bank employees combing trough it's customer list to look for 'people who are perceived as dishonest' is appropriate and professional, then you don't have a very sound understanding of human nature. It's clearly corrupt behavior |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 29, 2023 10:57:10 GMT
Now, let's have another recap:
Nigel's business accounts were shut down for non-banking reasons.
Because someone on the board disliked his politics (or perhaps was under undue influence from a political opponent?).
That should be illegal. And soon will be.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 10:58:52 GMT
NatWest offered him a personal account. No, as before, his business accounts were shut down and he was offered a basic personal account instead. Not the same thing. Now do keep up, Andy. Still not ''de-banked''. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 11:01:43 GMT
Now, let's have another recap: Nigel's business accounts were shut down for non-banking reasons. Because someone on the board disliked his politics (or perhaps was under undue influence from a political opponent?). That should be illegal. And soon will be. I wonder what the prospects of forcing a business to accept a client who causes them reputational damage are. About a squillion to one? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2023 11:07:48 GMT
The only reputational damage to NatWest has been caused by their own staff..
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 29, 2023 11:07:50 GMT
It was a fact before they said it. The manfrog was perceived as a disingenuous grifter long before anyone at Coutts made that observation. Yes. By yourself. A person acting professionally wont value this sort of thing very much at all. If you feel bank employees combing trough it's customer list to look for 'people who are perceived as dishonest' is appropriate and professional, then you don't have a very sound understanding of human nature. It's clearly corrupt behavior It's self-interested behaviour. It's exactly the sort of the thing Adam Smith would have approved of. |
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