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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 11:13:36 GMT
Stop damaging the bank's reputation? Victim blaming is not a good look. Neither is victim claiming. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 28, 2023 12:05:01 GMT
Stop damaging the bank's reputation? Victim blaming is not a good look. A very bad look indeed. So if I were a bank, took offence at something Monte had posted online and cancelled his business account, and then passed it around to other banks who also wouldn't give him a business account, would that be OK ? Course it fucking wouldn't. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 28, 2023 12:46:36 GMT
Victim blaming is not a good look. A very bad look indeed. So if I were a bank, took offence at something Monte had posted online and cancelled his business account, and then passed it around to other banks who also wouldn't give him a business account, would that be OK ? Course it fucking wouldn't. You still don't get it. Banks are required to respect everyone’s political beliefs UNTIL those beliefs start to hurt them financially. They are not expected to martyr themselves for somebody else’s political beliefs. |
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Post by om15 on Jul 28, 2023 12:48:24 GMT
You could put a sign up in your fancy restaurant saying "No blacks, no Irish", that would be a good idea.
You know that your view on this is absolute nonsense and flies in the face of common sense, I see Gina Millar has been de-banked, I don't approve of Ms Miller's views but I don't think that she should be de-banked, do you?
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 28, 2023 13:00:13 GMT
You could put a sign up in your fancy restaurant saying "No blacks, no Irish", that would be a good idea. You know that your view on this is absolute nonsense and flies in the face of common sense, I see Gina Millar has been de-banked, I don't approve of Ms Miller's views but I don't think that she should be de-banked, do you? If the bank disagreed with Gina Miller's political views, it was not entitled to terminate her account. If Gina Miller's political views were causing her bank to lose money, then the bank was entitled to terminate. The bank is not expected to martyr itself for Gina Miller's political views. The law appears to be a compromise between the right to hold a political view and the right to run a business profitably. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 28, 2023 13:05:24 GMT
You could put a sign up in your fancy restaurant saying "No blacks, no Irish", that would be a good idea. Good luck finding an insurer to insure your property if you do that. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 13:40:38 GMT
Monte. The foundations that society is built upon such as freedom of speech , and democracy , is far more important than personal dislike of an individual , or puerile excuses over alleged hypocrisy.
This is wrong. We all know it. You and others on this thread such as darling and Zany are on the wrong side of societys moral standards once more , as i said about remainers post 2016. Public opinion is against you.
Let it go mate , and dont continue to die on that hill.
Heres the scottish indy blogger , former lib dem , pro european and critic of transgender issues Stuart campbell telliing talk tv of his personal "banking cancellation" similar to Farage. If you cant hold your nose about Farage , and see why this is wrong and we must all close ranks in society and get behind the banks being punished and reigned in over this , then i would have thought better of you.
So, he was presumably de-banked for transgender-critical views. There was more sanity found in Bedlam. Buccy , ive followed the stuart campbell debanking story since he first broke it on his twitter page , and from what i gather , his first direct bank account was cancelled for no official reason .As an investigative journalist , he alleges that his well known transgender cult criticism was the reason and points out a head figure in HSBC(that first direct is part of) is a transgender .
First they came for campbell then farage , then it could well be anyone on this forum who holds views outwith the establishment "norm".
....and they laugh at north korea .....
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 13:56:11 GMT
Victim blaming is not a good look. A very bad look indeed. So if I were a bank, took offence at something Monte had posted online and cancelled his business account, and then passed it around to other banks who also wouldn't give him a business account, would that be OK ? Course it fucking wouldn't. Lucky I'm not a racist, xenophobic, disingenuous grifter then. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 13:58:36 GMT
You could put a sign up in your fancy restaurant saying "No blacks, no Irish", that would be a good idea. You know that your view on this is absolute nonsense and flies in the face of common sense, I see Gina Millar has been de-banked, I don't approve of Ms Miller's views but I don't think that she should be de-banked, do you? That would be illegal. I'll just stick to my ''No Nigel Farages'' one until they change the law. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 14:00:09 GMT
Monte. The foundations that society is built upon such as freedom of speech , and democracy , is far more important than personal dislike of an individual , or puerile excuses over alleged hypocrisy.
This is wrong. We all know it. You and others on this thread such as darling and Zany are on the wrong side of societys moral standards once more , as i said about remainers post 2016. Public opinion is against you.
Let it go mate , and dont continue to die on that hill. Thomas, I thought we were friends. That you would deny me the pleasure of a bit of Farage bashing hurts. However, back to the point. NatWest didn't debank Manfrog they downgraded him. He debanked himself when he turned down the standard non-millionaire's club account that all of us plebs are reduced to using. Do you think the Queen's bank would give you or I an account in their over privileged self entitled banking clique? Does that make us debanked and if so where do I claim my compensation? But even that is beside the point. Should a company be forced to allow a customer service when they think it is causing them reputational damage? Should I be forced to allow an abusive customer, who is scaring away my other customers, into my fancy restaurant? ''But he's hungry and everyone needs to eat'' you say. ''Fine, he can eat at my other restaurant which is a fast food joint'' I respond. ''Oh wait, he's stormed off in a huff. Couldn't have been that hungry after all''. ''Must have just been making some kind of point so he could make himself look victimised and it wasn't about the right to be fed after all. Well fuck him then''. Monte.  Good friendship means telling hard truths and trying to help mates from making fools of themselves.
Its like listening to the nazi party argue at the hague the jews died of lack of air rather than anything the gas did. Stope it now mate. Its getting silly.
Theres two things that stuck out for me on this thread with certain people , especially my mate zany. Lack of political nous , and lack of business nous.
The former is unsurprsing .For the last 16 years or more , i have watched those who are confessed supporters of the out of date blairite politics oppose public opinion and unite the left centre and right of uk politics against them so often its as common as the sun rising.
The latter is surprising in a so called businessman like zany , and adresses your question above.
In any business , its perfectly feasible to cancel a customer relationship without much fuss for business reasons. Its much more difficult , and potentially damaging , to do it for non business reasons. It takes years to build trust in business and customer serivice ,and seconds to break it as alison rose has saw , and one gone it can be gone for good.
You would think alison rose , who presumably didnt like farages politics and wished to do a hatchet job on him , would try to cancel farage using watertight business reasons. The fact she didnt or couldnt , and thorughout this thread farage haters cannot find a single conceivable argument to justfy his cancellation speaks volumes.
It tells me either the so called liberals , who make the far right and far left look respectable , are either stupid , extremely naive , or more likely are that ultra fanatical in thier views they let them cloud their judgement and all common sense.
Business should be seen to be non political , and certainly not seen to be punishing individuals for views.
Perhaps in future , businesses like banks should be more worried about reputational damage from political views with who they appoint to run the business , rather than the customers they are designed to serve.
Farages euroscpetic money is the same colour as your pro european money , and that should be all that matters to these banks.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 28, 2023 14:17:56 GMT
Thomas, I thought we were friends. That you would deny me the pleasure of a bit of Farage bashing hurts. However, back to the point. NatWest didn't debank Manfrog they downgraded him. He debanked himself when he turned down the standard non-millionaire's club account that all of us plebs are reduced to using. Do you think the Queen's bank would give you or I an account in their over privileged self entitled banking clique? Does that make us debanked and if so where do I claim my compensation? But even that is beside the point. Should a company be forced to allow a customer service when they think it is causing them reputational damage? Should I be forced to allow an abusive customer, who is scaring away my other customers, into my fancy restaurant? ''But he's hungry and everyone needs to eat'' you say. ''Fine, he can eat at my other restaurant which is a fast food joint'' I respond. ''Oh wait, he's stormed off in a huff. Couldn't have been that hungry after all''. ''Must have just been making some kind of point so he could make himself look victimised and it wasn't about the right to be fed after all. Well fuck him then''. Monte. Good friendship means telling hard truths and trying to help mates from making fools of themselves.
Its like listening to the nazi party argue at the hague the jews died of lack of air rather than anything the gas did. Stope it now mate. Its getting silly.
Theres two things that stuck out for me on this thread with certain people , especially my mate zany. Lack of political nous , and lack of business nous.
The former is unsurprsing .For the last 16 years or more , i have watched those who are confessed supporters of the out of date blairite politics oppose public opinion and unite the left centre and right of uk politics against them so often its as common as the sun rising.
The latter is surprising in a so called businessman like zany , and adresses your question above.
In any business , its perfectly feasible to cancel a customer relationship without much fuss for business reasons. Its much more difficult , and potentially damaging , to do it for non business reasons. It takes years to build trust in business and customer serivice ,and seconds to break it as alison rose has saw , and one gone it can be gone for good.
You would think alison rose , who presumably didnt like farages politics and wished to do a hatchet job on him , would try to cancel farage using watertight business reasons. The fact she didnt or couldnt , and thorughout this thread farage haters cannot find a single conceivable argument to justfy his cancellation speaks volumes.
It tells me either the so called liberals , who make the far right and far left look respectable , are either stupid , extremely naive , or more likely are that ultra fanatical in thier views they let them cloud their judgement and all common sense.
Business should be seen to be non political , and certainly not seen to be punishing individuals for views.
Perhaps in future , businesses like banks should be more worried about reputational damage from political views with who they appoint to run the business , rather than the customers they are designed to serve.
Farages euroscpetic money is the same colour as your pro european money , and that should be all that matters to these banks.
All very fair and balanced I'm sure Thomas but is it really honest? If it was Tony Blair that the bank didn't want to be associated with because he's perceived to be a war criminal are you really saying you wouldn't get even the slightest bit of pleasure from it? I mean, obviously you have to say no now but deep down, hand on heart, would it honestly not have brought a smile to your face if it had been him and not your Scots Nat mate being publicly embarrassed? |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 28, 2023 14:19:58 GMT
Monte. Good friendship means telling hard truths and trying to help mates from making fools of themselves.
Its like listening to the nazi party argue at the hague the jews died of lack of air rather than anything the gas did. Stope it now mate. Its getting silly.
Theres two things that stuck out for me on this thread with certain people , especially my mate zany. Lack of political nous , and lack of business nous.
The former is unsurprsing .For the last 16 years or more , i have watched those who are confessed supporters of the out of date blairite politics oppose public opinion and unite the left centre and right of uk politics against them so often its as common as the sun rising.
The latter is surprising in a so called businessman like zany , and adresses your question above.
In any business , its perfectly feasible to cancel a customer relationship without much fuss for business reasons. Its much more difficult , and potentially damaging , to do it for non business reasons. It takes years to build trust in business and customer serivice ,and seconds to break it as alison rose has saw , and one gone it can be gone for good.
You would think alison rose , who presumably didnt like farages politics and wished to do a hatchet job on him , would try to cancel farage using watertight business reasons. The fact she didnt or couldnt , and thorughout this thread farage haters cannot find a single conceivable argument to justfy his cancellation speaks volumes.
It tells me either the so called liberals , who make the far right and far left look respectable , are either stupid , extremely naive , or more likely are that ultra fanatical in thier views they let them cloud their judgement and all common sense.
Business should be seen to be non political , and certainly not seen to be punishing individuals for views.
Perhaps in future , businesses like banks should be more worried about reputational damage from political views with who they appoint to run the business , rather than the customers they are designed to serve.
Farages euroscpetic money is the same colour as your pro european money , and that should be all that matters to these banks.
All very fair and balanced I'm sure Thomas but is it really honest? If it was Tony Blair that the bank didn't want to be associated with because he's perceived to be a war criminal are you really saying you wouldn't get even the slightest bit of pleasure from it? I mean, obviously you have to say no now but deep down, hand on heart, would it honestly not have brought a smile to your face if it had been him and not your Scots Nat mate being publicly embarrassed? I can honestly say I detest him, but no I would never stop him having a view, even though he is complete liar and manipulator. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 14:25:26 GMT
Monte. Good friendship means telling hard truths and trying to help mates from making fools of themselves.
Its like listening to the nazi party argue at the hague the jews died of lack of air rather than anything the gas did. Stope it now mate. Its getting silly.
Theres two things that stuck out for me on this thread with certain people , especially my mate zany. Lack of political nous , and lack of business nous.
The former is unsurprsing .For the last 16 years or more , i have watched those who are confessed supporters of the out of date blairite politics oppose public opinion and unite the left centre and right of uk politics against them so often its as common as the sun rising.
The latter is surprising in a so called businessman like zany , and adresses your question above.
In any business , its perfectly feasible to cancel a customer relationship without much fuss for business reasons. Its much more difficult , and potentially damaging , to do it for non business reasons. It takes years to build trust in business and customer serivice ,and seconds to break it as alison rose has saw , and one gone it can be gone for good.
You would think alison rose , who presumably didnt like farages politics and wished to do a hatchet job on him , would try to cancel farage using watertight business reasons. The fact she didnt or couldnt , and thorughout this thread farage haters cannot find a single conceivable argument to justfy his cancellation speaks volumes.
It tells me either the so called liberals , who make the far right and far left look respectable , are either stupid , extremely naive , or more likely are that ultra fanatical in thier views they let them cloud their judgement and all common sense.
Business should be seen to be non political , and certainly not seen to be punishing individuals for views.
Perhaps in future , businesses like banks should be more worried about reputational damage from political views with who they appoint to run the business , rather than the customers they are designed to serve.
Farages euroscpetic money is the same colour as your pro european money , and that should be all that matters to these banks.
All very fair and balanced I'm sure Thomas but is it really honest? If it was Tony Blair that the bank didn't want to be associated with because he's perceived to be a war criminal are you really saying you wouldn't get even the slightest bit of pleasure from it? I mean, obviously you have to say no now but deep down, hand on heart, would it honestly not have brought a smile to your face if it had been him and not your Scots Nat mate being publicly embarrassed? im being more honest than many on this thread that i have mentioned. Its wrong , end of story , and no amount of hypothetical scenarios or peurile justification is going to change that monte.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 28, 2023 14:27:05 GMT
All very fair and balanced I'm sure Thomas but is it really honest? If it was Tony Blair that the bank didn't want to be associated with because he's perceived to be a war criminal are you really saying you wouldn't get even the slightest bit of pleasure from it? I mean, obviously you have to say no now but deep down, hand on heart, would it honestly not have brought a smile to your face if it had been him and not your Scots Nat mate being publicly embarrassed? I can honestly say I detest him, but no I would never stop him having a view, even though he is complete liar and manipulator. Very noble. But would you be prepared to allow your income to take a hit for his political views? The law is a compromise between capitalism and the right to hold a political viewpoint. Everyone is expected to accommodate everyone else's political viewpoint UNTIL that political viewpoint starts to cost the other party money. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 14:31:10 GMT
All very fair and balanced I'm sure Thomas but is it really honest? If it was Tony Blair that the bank didn't want to be associated with because he's perceived to be a war criminal are you really saying you wouldn't get even the slightest bit of pleasure from it? I mean, obviously you have to say no now but deep down, hand on heart, would it honestly not have brought a smile to your face if it had been him and not your Scots Nat mate being publicly embarrassed? Now that is honesty at last: So it's okay to do it to someone that you dislike because you're sure they'd do it to yours. Except that you have zilch evidence for it. Now what was it Ghandi said about an eye for an eye? |
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