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Post by Pacifico on Jul 28, 2023 7:17:35 GMT
why? - we do for energy and water supplies But we don't for cars and the internet. Not sure how you would for cars (or the Internet) considering that there is no regulation on who can sell you one - there is a ton of regulation on who can set up a bank though. If Farage (or whoever) is denied a bank account, he cannot join with some of his friends and set up their own bank. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 7:20:42 GMT
Eh? - it's exactly the same. You are discriminating against a specific group of people. Sit yourself down and think for a minute - discriminating against gays is exactly the same as discriminating against those who disapprove of gay relationships. In both cases its individuals who are discriminated against. That's why you can't have a one size fits all rule. I am not arguing that either everyone gets an account or banks get to choose cart blanc That's what you are arguing. Should a bank be allowed to ban disabled people from having an account because they believe they are an aberration? Jeez. You are now in desperation reduced to arguing the definition of discrimination and who it does and doesnt apply to?
The basis of law in any civilised society is that they apply to all without fear favour or prejudice. Trying to set up a system of woke lefty supremacy over those sacred tenets where you get to ride roughshod and discriminate against those you disagree with is laughable .
Sit yourself down as pacifico says , and engage brain.
lets take this idiotic sentence in two parts.
banks shouldnt be allowed to ban anyone for any non banking reason.
Disabled people dont believe they are an aberration. so called "normal " people do. Dont inflict your prejudice on disabled people by claiming to know how they think of themselves as lesser human beings.
The more i read your posts , the greater my contempt grows.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 7:24:42 GMT
You want a special rule that penalises things you disagree with with and allows things you agree with Yep and back to Square One. For the left, it's like the Great Gay Wedding Cake debacle except in reverse. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 28, 2023 7:27:07 GMT
But we don't for cars and the internet. Not sure how you would for cars (or the Internet) considering that there is no regulation on who can sell you one - there is a ton of regulation on who can set up a bank though. If Farage (or whoever) is denied a bank account, he cannot join with some of his friends and set up their own bank. Yes. It seems obvious to me that, once you set up a state regulatory cartel, neither regulators or players should be able to use that cartel to pursue their political interests. If I regulate and restrict the provision of water, I don't then get to use the regulated supply of water as a weapon against my political opponents. This is just 101 basic economic morality and it's quite scary people don't get it or aren't aware. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 7:36:46 GMT
You want a special rule that penalises things you disagree with with and allows things you agree with Yep and back to Square One. It is back to square one. We have zany jumping through hoops and scrabbling about in the dirt miserably trying to use the most ridiculous reasons or metaphors to justify the unjustifiable.
Various newspapers , media and bloggers are reporting something around 90 % of people they engage with over the coutts scandal disagree with the bank cancelling farage for political reasons.
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 7:38:55 GMT
Not sure how you would for cars (or the Internet) considering that there is no regulation on who can sell you one - there is a ton of regulation on who can set up a bank though. If Farage (or whoever) is denied a bank account, he cannot join with some of his friends and set up their own bank. If I regulate and restrict the provision of water, I don't then get to use the regulated supply of water as a weapon against my political opponents. This is just 101 basic economic morality and it's quite scary people don't get it or aren't aware. Brilliant . Totally agree. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 28, 2023 7:47:46 GMT
That's why you can't have a one size fits all rule. I am not arguing that either everyone gets an account or banks get to choose cart blanc That's what you are arguing. Should a bank be allowed to ban disabled people from having an account because they believe they are an aberration? Sure. You want a special rule that penalises things you disagree with with and allows things you agree with Its not just me is it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 28, 2023 7:47:59 GMT
That's why you can't have a one size fits all rule. I am not arguing that either everyone gets an account or banks get to choose cart blanc That's what you are arguing. Should a bank be allowed to ban disabled people from having an account because they believe they are an aberration? Sure. You want a special rule that penalises things you disagree with with and allows things you agree with You get to see the real morals and values people have with an event like this. The irony in all this is, such folk usually brow-beat others about their morals and values, and hold themselves up in such high esteem that they pretend they're the ones who are the genuine philanthropists fighting on behalf of social/economic/political injustices. Events like this just demonstrate how fake they are. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 28, 2023 7:59:06 GMT
There are of course much wider implications, I would wager anyone who has spent a few decades on this Island has seen freedoms eroded bit by bit for the plebs and any power and wealth channeled away from them and into the hands of a very few. You cannot even get what you have voted for.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 28, 2023 7:59:22 GMT
That's why you can't have a one size fits all rule. I am not arguing that either everyone gets an account or banks get to choose cart blanc That's what you are arguing. Should a bank be allowed to ban disabled people from having an account because they believe they are an aberration? Nope you have missed the point. Your pin hole glasses only allow you to view everything from your one perspective. My argument is that there will always be exceptions, that all or nothing never works. Should an active ISIS member be allowed a bank account is the bank account? Should a person who is rich but has been bankrupt 6 times leaving piles of debts be allowed a bank account. There are far too many variables for a hard and fast rule to apply. It was Pacifico that switched from the individual case to the type of person, not me.
The more I read your posts the more I couldn't care less. You are always so far off the point that answering you is all but impossible. My point was not that I think disabled people are an aberration, but that this pointed out the error in Pacifico's thoughts on banning whole groups of people (Gays) rather than looking at individuals.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 8:03:08 GMT
...I don't then get to use the regulated supply of water as a weapon against my political opponents. This is just 101 basic economic morality and it's quite scary people don't get it or aren't aware. Oh, they're plenty aware. What did Wally say recently - by any means possible. It's their religion. And they really believe it. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 28, 2023 8:04:18 GMT
Sure. You want a special rule that penalises things you disagree with with and allows things you agree with . The irony in all this is, such folk usually brow-beat others about their morals and values, and hold themselves up in such high esteem that they pretend they're the ones who are the genuine philanthropists fighting on behalf of social/economic/political injustices. Events like this just demonstrate how fake they are. You certainly do. Those who claim a business must accept any customer regardless. But would scream a blue fit if such rules were placed upon them. The same people who argued that a wedding cake shop should not be forced to make a cake for a gay person they don't even know. Argues that because its Nigel a bank should have no say in who they give an account to. The word hypocrite is writ large. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 28, 2023 8:05:02 GMT
www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/woke-regulation-is-killing-capitalism/Jesus Christ, Multi-billion pound corporations being run by a bunch of ideological zealots who collect their views on customers from dodgy websites run by bitter remainers, and left-leaning fruit cakes. Anyone who tells me society is better today than it was even 30 - 40 years ago can go take a run and jump. We're fast heading towards North Korea on the back of the opinions of social misfits.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2023 8:06:20 GMT
Nope, to be fair there's one or two other lefty fascists. All equally hypocritical, however. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 28, 2023 8:12:30 GMT
Nope you have missed the point. Your pin hole glasses only allow you to view everything from your one perspective. My argument is that there will always be exceptions, that all or nothing never works. Should an active ISIS member be allowed a bank account is the bank account? Should a person who is rich but has been bankrupt 6 times leaving piles of debts be allowed a bank account. There are far too many variables for a hard and fast rule to apply. It was Pacifico that switched from the individual case to the type of person, not me.
The more I read your posts the more I couldn't care less. You are always so far off the point that answering you is all but impossible. My point was not that I think disabled people are an aberration, but that this pointed out the error in Pacifico's thoughts on banning whole groups of people (Gays) rather than looking at individuals.
You have backed a losing horse on this thread from day one , and miserably failed to justify the unjustifiable , while joining those across the uk political spectrum , who are normally in disagreement with each other , against you.
Your peurile arguments to save face , point score , or play last wordism are now plumbing the depths of ridicule and depravity in desperation.
There is no point being missed by anyone on this thread while you attempt to wriggle relentlessly regarding your unpopular and fascist like stance on banking cancellation.
It is though extremely unsurprising . The last new labour government tried to give us a bonfire of civil liberties , and if the current new labour supporters like you are anything to go by , your poor attempt at banking cancellation for all the wrong political views is merely the vanguard of the next new labours governments bonfire of civil liberties.
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