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Post by wapentake on Jun 28, 2023 7:31:33 GMT
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 28, 2023 7:50:40 GMT
I would agree ,everything we NEED should be nationalised ,water is pretty much top of that list .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 14:23:25 GMT
Another brilliant Conservative idea
Instead of the supply of the most basic ingredient of life been owned by us, the public, the state - let us make it into a private company, one where shareholders, mostly from abroad, can make lots of money from.
Sewage pouring into our rivers and seas almost 40 years after the industry was privatised, water bills going up every year by over the rate of inflation, water leaks losing millions of litres of water EVERY DAY, the infastructure badly in need of investment.
But as well as everything else, since privatisation, the companies have closed down hundreds of local depots, made thosands redundant, a drive to make profits higher ( or as the Tories say "to make it more efficient" ).
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 28, 2023 15:16:43 GMT
Another brilliant Conservative idea Instead of the supply of the most basic ingredient of life been owned by us, the public, the state - let us make it into a private company, one where shareholders, mostly from abroad, can make lots of money from. Sewage pouring into our rivers and seas almost 40 years after the industry was privatised, water bills going up every year by over the rate of inflation, water leaks losing millions of litres of water EVERY DAY, the infastructure badly in need of investment. But as well as everything else, since privatisation, the companies have closed down hundreds of local depots, made thosands redundant, a drive to make profits higher ( or as the Tories say "to make it more efficient" ). a ‘brilliant conservative idea thirteen years of labour in england and twenty seven of labour in wales have done fuck all to reverse ……. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 28, 2023 17:19:18 GMT
I just had a look and Welsh Water (not privatised) charge an average of £50 a year more than Thames Water (privatised) - perhaps the only problem with Thames is that their prices were not high enough?
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Post by Handyman on Jun 28, 2023 17:35:46 GMT
Last year
Raw sewage was dumped into Welsh rivers more than 100,000 times last year - for almost 900,000 hours.
The discharges happened across more than 2,000 water treatment works and sewer overflows across the Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water network in 2020.
But the not-for-profit operator has insisted it is working to meet all environmental regulations.
It said more monitoring equipment meant more sewage spills were also being detected.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 29, 2023 6:20:17 GMT
I just had a look and Welsh Water (not privatised) charge an average of £50 a year more than Thames Water (privatised) - perhaps the only problem with Thames is that their prices were not high enough? Welsh water were privatised and went the way Thames Water is going back in about 2003. I know because i freelanced for their utterly bonkers IT division from 1997-1999 and kept in touch with the permanent members of the team i led for a while after that. For a while the only part of the privatised company that was still running (and that only because it was hacked) was their commercial arm Hyder Business Services who openly offered 25kg drums of red phosphorus and the other precursors of the ‘biker gang’ method of street meth production delivered from a pakistan based operation …. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 29, 2023 6:33:05 GMT
Last year Raw sewage was dumped into Welsh rivers more than 100,000 times last year - for almost 900,000 hours. The discharges happened across more than 2,000 water treatment works and sewer overflows across the Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water network in 2020. But the not-for-profit operator has insisted it is working to meet all environmental regulations. It said more monitoring equipment meant more sewage spills were also being detected. modt of the reason for this is victorian era storm drains that flood the sewers with excess rainwater combined with a pipe infrastructure insufficient to accommodate the increase in housing developments so shit is kept in underground lagoons until it can be pumped along the overloaded infrastructure at dead of night. It only needs a decent storm in a geographic area famous for having three foot four inches of rain a year … |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 29, 2023 6:35:11 GMT
Last year Raw sewage was dumped into Welsh rivers more than 100,000 times last year - for almost 900,000 hours. The discharges happened across more than 2,000 water treatment works and sewer overflows across the Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water network in 2020. But the not-for-profit operator has insisted it is working to meet all environmental regulations. It said more monitoring equipment meant more sewage spills were also being detected. modt of the reason for this is victorian era storm drains that flood the sewers with excess rainwater combined with a pipe infrastructure insufficient to accommodate the increase in housing developments so shit is kept in underground lagoons until it can be pumped along the overloaded infrastructure at dead of night. It only needs a decent storm in a geographic area famous for having three foot four inches of rain a year … Exactly John. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 29, 2023 6:48:49 GMT
The area around the M4 between j28 and j27 is a case in point.
At the exit from j28 eastbound the road rises steeply as the m4 progresses in a cutting under the most populated area bu the River Ebbw. This was a surface sewer outfall in the 19th century which was culverted and extended a few miles
The volume of shit and the head of pressure overcame the inspection chamber hatches that some bloody clown had installed all along the hard shoulder.
Huge steel hatches were blown ten feet or more into the air by what i would call a waterspout that shot almost thirty feet into the sky. I would call it a waterspout but it was largely brown and green in hue.
It was an impressive sight but sone things you accelerate to 105 to get past instead of dawdling to take a picture of. Fortunately this was before the current 50mph speed trap zone.
Sadly they reinforced the storm drain cover bolts after that which means they wont blow again until a sixty foot head of pressure builds.
Hmm. Looks like rain again …
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 29, 2023 6:51:58 GMT
This seems like a good opportunity to take the company back into national ownership on the cheap. The owners have basically borrowed vast amounts of money (£14 billion apparently) and invested nothing while paying paying billions out in dividends to shareholders - and selling off land. So the company now is all but worthless, so what the govt should do is put it into administration and pay off its creditors (at the rate of 0.5p per pound) and nationalise it.
This will also have the effect of crucifying the share price of all the other water companies (mainly in the hands of foreign owners) so they could then be bought on the cheap and renationalised.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 29, 2023 7:06:57 GMT
I just had a look and Welsh Water (not privatised) charge an average of £50 a year more than Thames Water (privatised) - perhaps the only problem with Thames is that their prices were not high enough? i don’t know the details of their customer base it’s been a while since i worked in the sector but as i understand it they’ve taken the regulator’s generous charge increases trousered it and spent barely anything on the business. United Utilities piss that £50 up the wall by having all their literature printed twice half in a language most don’t give a shit about |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 29, 2023 7:39:40 GMT
What accountants did Thames Water use?
Where was the inspectorate over the last years?
I find it astonishing that this could happen.
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Post by Handyman on Jun 29, 2023 10:02:23 GMT
Last year Raw sewage was dumped into Welsh rivers more than 100,000 times last year - for almost 900,000 hours. The discharges happened across more than 2,000 water treatment works and sewer overflows across the Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water network in 2020. But the not-for-profit operator has insisted it is working to meet all environmental regulations. It said more monitoring equipment meant more sewage spills were also being detected. modt of the reason for this is victorian era storm drains that flood the sewers with excess rainwater combined with a pipe infrastructure insufficient to accommodate the increase in housing developments so shit is kept in underground lagoons until it can be pumped along the overloaded infrastructure at dead of night. It only needs a decent storm in a geographic area famous for having three foot four inches of rain a year … I agree there are thousands of miles of Victorian pipework and sewers right across the UK that still need to be replaced even though many miles of pipework have been replaced , and yes heavy rainfall does overload the system, storage and treatment works are struggling to cope , more allegedly are in the pipeline  if they can site them in the right place there is no quick fix |
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Post by thomas on Jun 29, 2023 10:18:07 GMT
Another brilliant Conservative idea Instead of the supply of the most basic ingredient of life been owned by us, the public, the state - let us make it into a private company, one where shareholders, mostly from abroad, can make lots of money from. Sewage pouring into our rivers and seas almost 40 years after the industry was privatised, water bills going up every year by over the rate of inflation, water leaks losing millions of litres of water EVERY DAY, the infastructure badly in need of investment. But as well as everything else, since privatisation, the companies have closed down hundreds of local depots, made thosands redundant, a drive to make profits higher ( or as the Tories say "to make it more efficient" ). Has starmer promised to nationalise english water?
it was your new labour party who tried and failed to privatise scottish water , and were kicked out of office before they could complete their privatisation.
Pathetic new labour mud slinging , blaming the tories for an ideology you actively and whole heartedly participated in.
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if they can site them in the right place there is no quick fix