|
Post by Handyman on Jun 22, 2023 17:53:48 GMT
A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: You don't know what you are talking about. That section relates to wasting police time, which is not lying to the police. Exactly
|
|
|
Post by Toreador on Jun 22, 2023 18:42:58 GMT
A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: You don't know what you are talking about. That section relates to wasting police time, which is not lying to the police. You can be very hurtful, Ned.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 6:11:48 GMT
A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: You don't know what you are talking about. That section relates to wasting police time, which is not lying to the police. So it is not a waste of police time to deliberately lie to the police when making a legally binding witness statement, what exactly do you believe 'wasting police time is then' please provide an example if i don't know what I am talking about.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 6:16:12 GMT
I kept my previous post to you as simple as possible , but obviously not simple enough for you to understand Suggest you stop going around in circles you will end up flying up your own arse, why do you assume guess that that any party goers provided a witness statement or even asked for simple FPN's the person who took those photos was in the Office when Boris was given a birthday cake, for all we know they were probably one of the 123 in that room in No 10 that were issued with FPN's FPN's are issued every day for a number of Offices, do you really think an Officer shouts did anyone witness this driver speeding, throwing a fag end on the floor, come forward and give me a witness statement, for serious Criminal Offences yes they will and knock on doors Police Officers get lied to everyday when dealing with a suspect, if the suspect is arrested the fact they lied to the Officer is a small part of what happened the fact they did will be part of the Officers evidence. If they lie when interviewed again just part of the evidence, if they go to trial defendants often lie to the Court under cross examination that is why many defendants do offer themselves up for cross examination, its par for the course if found guilty they don't wacked with another charge of attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice on top If a Witness lies to a Court with intent knowingly then they run the risk of being dealt with for Perverting the Course if caught out on the day or later. A lot of people were interviewed by the police over different parties that were alleged to have happened in Tory circles. They will all have given signed witness statements, that is standard practice in an interview, otherwise why ask the questions.
|
|
|
Post by Handyman on Jun 23, 2023 8:09:13 GMT
I kept my previous post to you as simple as possible , but obviously not simple enough for you to understand Suggest you stop going around in circles you will end up flying up your own arse, why do you assume guess that that any party goers provided a witness statement or even asked for simple FPN's the person who took those photos was in the Office when Boris was given a birthday cake, for all we know they were probably one of the 123 in that room in No 10 that were issued with FPN's FPN's are issued every day for a number of Offices, do you really think an Officer shouts did anyone witness this driver speeding, throwing a fag end on the floor, come forward and give me a witness statement, for serious Criminal Offences yes they will and knock on doors Police Officers get lied to everyday when dealing with a suspect, if the suspect is arrested the fact they lied to the Officer is a small part of what happened the fact they did will be part of the Officers evidence. If they lie when interviewed again just part of the evidence, if they go to trial defendants often lie to the Court under cross examination that is why many defendants do offer themselves up for cross examination, its par for the course if found guilty they don't wacked with another charge of attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice on top If a Witness lies to a Court with intent knowingly then they run the risk of being dealt with for Perverting the Course if caught out on the day or later. A lot of people were interviewed by the police over different parties that were alleged to have happened in Tory circles. They will all have given signed witness statements, that is standard practice in an interview, otherwise why ask the questions. Police and other enforcement agencies that suspect a person has committed an arrestable Criminal Offence are cautioned the moment they are arrested they are later interviewed under caution they cannot be forced to say anything or answer any questions if they so wish, suggest your read and try and understand the caution. They do not interview witnesses as such any that come forward or they find at the scene of a criminal offence or identified later that can provide evidence if they agree to will be asked to make a written witness statement and told they may have to attend Court at a later date, they cannot be forced to make or give a witness statement. Now once again FPN's are used to deal with Offences , non recordable offences not Criminal Offences that are usually issued on the spot having been witnessed by Police or designated Agencies given that authority by Parliament, done dusted on your way I have seen nothing in the Press where anyone in No 10 were spoken to in person by Police and asked if they would be willing to give a witness statement during Covid lockdown , perhaps I have missed it , if I have perhaps you can enlighten me and show some sort of evidence that it happened What I do know Boris and I suspect others that were present in No 10 on those days were issued with a written Questioner under caution for them to either complete and return or ignore and say nothing as is their right, the fact remains 126 of the people at the time present at the time were issued with FPN's , all over and done with Boris is gone so are some of the Civil Servants who were present at the time Covid Rules were in force.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 9:07:04 GMT
A lot of people were interviewed by the police over different parties that were alleged to have happened in Tory circles. They will all have given signed witness statements, that is standard practice in an interview, otherwise why ask the questions. Police and other enforcement agencies that suspect a person has committed an arrestable Criminal Offence are cautioned the moment they are arrested they are later interviewed under caution they cannot be forced to say anything or answer any questions if they so wish, suggest your read and try and understand the caution. They do not interview witnesses as such any that come forward or they find at the scene of a criminal offence or identified later that can provide evidence if they agree to will be asked to make a written witness statement and told they may have to attend Court at a later date, they cannot be forced to make or give a witness statement. Now once again FPN's are used to deal with Offences , non recordable offences not Criminal Offences that are usually issued on the spot having been witnessed by Police or designated Agencies given that authority by Parliament, done dusted on your way I have seen nothing in the Press where anyone in No 10 were spoken to in person by Police and asked if they would be willing to give a witness statement during Covid lockdown , perhaps I have missed it , if I have perhaps you can enlighten me and show some sort of evidence that it happened What I do know Boris and I suspect others that were present in No 10 on those days were issued with a written Questioner under caution for them to either complete and return or ignore and say nothing as is their right, the fact remains 126 of the people at the time present at the time were issued with FPN's , all over and done with Boris is gone so are some of the Civil Servants who were present at the time Covid Rules were in force. You can be cautioned without being arrested. "There were no interviews under caution and the questionnaires were legal documents, which the police use in similar processes".
|
|
|
Post by Handyman on Jun 23, 2023 10:45:43 GMT
Police and other enforcement agencies that suspect a person has committed an arrestable Criminal Offence are cautioned the moment they are arrested they are later interviewed under caution they cannot be forced to say anything or answer any questions if they so wish, suggest your read and try and understand the caution. They do not interview witnesses as such any that come forward or they find at the scene of a criminal offence or identified later that can provide evidence if they agree to will be asked to make a written witness statement and told they may have to attend Court at a later date, they cannot be forced to make or give a witness statement. Now once again FPN's are used to deal with Offences , non recordable offences not Criminal Offences that are usually issued on the spot having been witnessed by Police or designated Agencies given that authority by Parliament, done dusted on your way I have seen nothing in the Press where anyone in No 10 were spoken to in person by Police and asked if they would be willing to give a witness statement during Covid lockdown , perhaps I have missed it , if I have perhaps you can enlighten me and show some sort of evidence that it happened What I do know Boris and I suspect others that were present in No 10 on those days were issued with a written Questioner under caution for them to either complete and return or ignore and say nothing as is their right, the fact remains 126 of the people at the time present at the time were issued with FPN's , all over and done with Boris is gone so are some of the Civil Servants who were present at the time Covid Rules were in force. You can be cautioned without being arrested. "There were no interviews under caution and the questionnaires were legal documents, which the police use in similar processes". I know I have already told you that when issued with a FPN personally by an Official you are cautioned verbally, you are not obliged to say anything it is your choice, You are changing your tune again, Boris and others was issued with a written Questionnaire headed by the Caution, not obliged to answer any of the questions or fill it in, you can opt to simple pay the fine instead or ask a Court to decide which bit of that do you not understand. Done with you on this subject, you are just squirming again, I suggest you bin your imagination and find out first before you jump in feet first, that way you may not make yourself look so foolish again , which would be a refreshing change from you in a debate forum
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 10:53:59 GMT
You don't know what you are talking about. That section relates to wasting police time, which is not lying to the police. So it is not a waste of police time to deliberately lie to the police when making a legally binding witness statement, what exactly do you believe 'wasting police time is then' please provide an example if i don't know what I am talking about. Stop moving the goalposts to try to score.
|
|
|
Post by Handyman on Jun 23, 2023 11:04:13 GMT
So it is not a waste of police time to deliberately lie to the police when making a legally binding witness statement, what exactly do you believe 'wasting police time is then' please provide an example if i don't know what I am talking about. Stop moving the goalposts to try to score. Its a waste of time , he does not understand our legal system and never will that is why he cannot back up what he posts with facts , you ask him a questions and ducks it and answers with another question
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 18:38:22 GMT
Stop moving the goalposts to try to score. Its a waste of time , he does not understand our legal system and never will that is why he cannot back up what he posts with facts , you ask him a questions and ducks it and answers with another question The Criminal Law Act 1967 states perverting the course of justice, which may also be committed where a false report to the police is made. Perverting the Course of Justice is a much more serious offence, which can lead to a longer term of imprisonment. An example of this is where a person has been arrested as a result of a false report.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 19:59:29 GMT
Have you ever seen anyone charged and convicted for "Lying to the Police"? No, because there is no such offence. Now give it up, you are wrong. We know all about other offences, thank you. I rest my case, M'Lud.
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on Jun 24, 2023 22:19:17 GMT
Have you ever seen anyone charged and convicted for "Lying to the Police"? No, because there is no such offence. Now give it up, you are wrong. We know all about other offences, thank you. I rest my case, M'Lud. Actually Ned, I think you may find that wasting police time is an offence, and lying to the police could easilly be construed as wasting police time. Don't you think?
|
|
|
Post by Handyman on Jun 25, 2023 9:17:41 GMT
It is an offence but not used very often
Wasting police time is a summary only offence and proceedings may only be instituted by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) as set out in section 5(3) of the Criminal Law Act 1967.
Wasting police time is a criminal offence as outlined under section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967. Knowingly making false reports to the police is an offence, including verbal or written statements that: Someone has committed an offence. That people or property are at real risk.
Making a false report could lead to a fine, a conviction for wasting police time or even a prison sentence for the more serious offence of perverting the course of justice. The offence carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment.
Perverting the Course of Justice is a far more serios matter , it means a deliberate attempt such as lying in Court to defend a friend who is on trial he could not have done it he was down the pub with me, or disposing of evidence such as destroying blood stained clothes for a friend or relative after they have assaulted someone.
Putting it in context as I sated earlier Police get lied to all the time, simple traffic offence some will give a false name and address, stop and search have you any drugs or a weapon on you ? No then they find some , being interviewed under caution after being arrested for burglary , no did not do it I was not there, fine not a problem par for the course , then forensics come back and proves he was in that building, that is when you interview them again.
Its a never ending game
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 9:25:05 GMT
Have you ever seen anyone charged and convicted for "Lying to the Police"? No, because there is no such offence. Now give it up, you are wrong. We know all about other offences, thank you.I rest my case, M'Lud. Actually Ned, I think you may find that wasting police time is an offence, and lying to the police could easilly be construed as wasting police time. Don't you think? Nope. e.g. "I've only had one pint, officer" "No, I don't know him" "I didn't go into that shop" "He said I could have it" "I have got insurance, I've got the paperwork at home" All lying but not wasting police time. Lying to the police is not an offence. Wasting police time is an offence. They are not equivalent. Why do you think I posted that in bold above, Red Rackham? This is one of my fields of expertise.
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on Jun 26, 2023 8:37:05 GMT
Actually Ned, I think you may find that wasting police time is an offence, and lying to the police could easilly be construed as wasting police time. Don't you think? Nope. e.g. "I've only had one pint, officer" "No, I don't know him" "I didn't go into that shop" "He said I could have it" "I have got insurance, I've got the paperwork at home" All lying but not wasting police time. Lying to the police is not an offence. Wasting police time is an offence. They are not equivalent. Why do you think I posted that in bold above, Red Rackham? This is one of my fields of expertise. Fair enough, you're the expert. However, a brief glance at google says... Quote: If you make a false report, make up a crime or lie to the police you could be charged with wasting police time or even the more serious offence of perverting the course of justice. Also: It is an offence to give false information [Lying] to the police, and can lead to up to 6 months imprisonment and a fine.
|
|