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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 9:22:02 GMT
I know I am wasting my time but you still don't get it, firstly Breaching Covid Regulations which were only temporary and no longer in force were not classed as a Crime a Criminal Offence , an Offence yes but not a recordable offence dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Notice issued normally on the spot in many thousands of cases right across the UK, if they paid the fine the end of the matter full stop. However IMO the photographs of Boris and Sunak and other photos taken in No 10 back then were taken by a member of the Civil Service who worked and may still do in No10 where Boris Minsters and MP's also work not every day but they still have to attend No 10 to carry out their work, same as thousands of other essential workers across the UK 24/7. Some one put these photographs out into the public domain were they just stupid and or were they Politically motivated ? , was their motive their personal hatred of Boris or the Tories in General, if yes they succeeded in their aims, Boris is gone, IMO again they used the Met Police for their own personal motive and opinions Now more Photos have appeared the Christmas piss up at Tory HQ which Boris probably did not know about and certainly was not there, but the people filmed are Tories same motivation more than likely, if as I suspect these photos are being used for political reasons the Met Police Commissioner should kick them into the long grass, they are simple FPN Offences not Criminal Offences The difference between an alleged Offence under the Covid Regulation which are no longer in force and Burglary and Handling Stolen Goods is that they are Criminal Offences arrestable Criminal Offences, the Police recover large amounts of property that they suspect maybe stolen every year. If the suspect does not admit he or she knew they were stolen or did actually steal them, they are unable to prove who the rightful owners are, their investigation more often than not then come to a grinding halt due to lack of evidence. For the simple reason few people record the serial numbers of their TV's electrical goods, or mark them with their postcode that shows up under infra red light, or take a note of their bicycle frame number stamped on the frame pictures of Jewellery etc , that is why the Police have Auctions several times a year to empty the warehouses they are stored in to make more room, for new suspected stolen goods So if someone gives the police some information about a breach or a crime and they have personal motive for handing the evidence over, the police should ignore it, does that really sound like a plan to you? Johnson was not kicked out of parliament over Covid breaches, it was because he lied about it to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 9:24:45 GMT
Why attempt this stupid mind game of attempting to insult people, it really is pathetic. Labour may also be 'full of shit' but if they do not show that they are better than the Tories they will be booted out of office. That's how you talk to people no names, no belittling, no ridiculing of points and no deflections. No need to become defensive, I was just pointing out a fact. That they are full of shit as well. If I was being defensive it would be because you said 'it would not help me get the help I need', that is just attempting ridicule and not very grown up. The irony is I agreed with you but because I am a 'lefty' that is immaterial. 😔 |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 22, 2023 9:28:11 GMT
No need to become defensive, I was just pointing out a fact. That they are full of shit as well. If I was being defensive it would be because you said 'it would not help me get the help I need', that is just attempting ridicule and not very grown up. The irony is I agreed with you but because I am a 'lefty' that is immaterial. 😔 No if you read what I said, I was pointing out that you think somehow voting Labour will answer your prayers and bring the help you need, so before you and the rest of us become very disappointed by your choice as for sure we will. I thought I would point it out, as I am nice like that. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 22, 2023 9:32:00 GMT
I know I am wasting my time but you still don't get it, firstly Breaching Covid Regulations which were only temporary and no longer in force were not classed as a Crime a Criminal Offence , an Offence yes but not a recordable offence dealt with by a Fixed Penalty Notice issued normally on the spot in many thousands of cases right across the UK, if they paid the fine the end of the matter full stop. However IMO the photographs of Boris and Sunak and other photos taken in No 10 back then were taken by a member of the Civil Service who worked and may still do in No10 where Boris Minsters and MP's also work not every day but they still have to attend No 10 to carry out their work, same as thousands of other essential workers across the UK 24/7. Some one put these photographs out into the public domain were they just stupid and or were they Politically motivated ? , was their motive their personal hatred of Boris or the Tories in General, if yes they succeeded in their aims, Boris is gone, IMO again they used the Met Police for their own personal motive and opinions Now more Photos have appeared the Christmas piss up at Tory HQ which Boris probably did not know about and certainly was not there, but the people filmed are Tories same motivation more than likely, if as I suspect these photos are being used for political reasons the Met Police Commissioner should kick them into the long grass, they are simple FPN Offences not Criminal Offences The difference between an alleged Offence under the Covid Regulation which are no longer in force and Burglary and Handling Stolen Goods is that they are Criminal Offences arrestable Criminal Offences, the Police recover large amounts of property that they suspect maybe stolen every year. If the suspect does not admit he or she knew they were stolen or did actually steal them, they are unable to prove who the rightful owners are, their investigation more often than not then come to a grinding halt due to lack of evidence. For the simple reason few people record the serial numbers of their TV's electrical goods, or mark them with their postcode that shows up under infra red light, or take a note of their bicycle frame number stamped on the frame pictures of Jewellery etc , that is why the Police have Auctions several times a year to empty the warehouses they are stored in to make more room, for new suspected stolen goods So if someone gives the police some information about a breach or a crime and they have personal motive for handing the evidence over, the police should ignore it, does that really sound like a plan to you? Johnson was not kicked out of parliament over Covid breaches, it was because he lied about it to you. The Met dealt with the information about Breaches of Covid within No 10 as you well know, Crimes the Police do investigate as best they can given the burden of work they get everyday due to the lack of resources not of will lack of resources , Boris has been dealt with and investigated by Parliament because they are the only ones that could, it was not and never will be a Police matter |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 10:10:56 GMT
If I was being defensive it would be because you said 'it would not help me get the help I need', that is just attempting ridicule and not very grown up. The irony is I agreed with you but because I am a 'lefty' that is immaterial. 😔 No if you read what I said, I was pointing out that you think somehow voting Labour will answer your prayers and bring the help you need, so before you and the rest of us become very disappointed by your choice as for sure we will. I thought I would point it out, as I am nice like that. That may be the case and I, for one, will call them out if the do not make the improvements or at least start making the improvements we need. But I will not 'blame' their failings on the Tory party as so many appear to want to do. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 22, 2023 10:13:21 GMT
No if you read what I said, I was pointing out that you think somehow voting Labour will answer your prayers and bring the help you need, so before you and the rest of us become very disappointed by your choice as for sure we will. I thought I would point it out, as I am nice like that. That may be the case and I, for one, will call them out if the do not make the improvements or at least start making the improvements we need. But I will not 'blame' their failings on the Tory party as so many appear to want to do. No you won't red, you will do what always happens, disappear into the woodwork when it all goes bottom up. Which is just par for the course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 10:14:46 GMT
So if someone gives the police some information about a breach or a crime and they have personal motive for handing the evidence over, the police should ignore it, does that really sound like a plan to you? Johnson was not kicked out of parliament over Covid breaches, it was because he lied about it to you. The Met dealt with the information about Breaches of Covid within No 10 as you well know, Crimes the Police do investigate as best they can given the burden of work they get everyday due to the lack of resources not of will lack of resources , Boris has been dealt with and investigated by Parliament because they are the only ones that could, it was not and never will be a Police matter I have a funny feeling that lying to the police is a criminal offence and considering the new evidence that has appeared and more may be forthcoming in the future, many, many people must have lied to them. The truth needs to come out or it will never be over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 11:27:19 GMT
The Met dealt with the information about Breaches of Covid within No 10 as you well know, Crimes the Police do investigate as best they can given the burden of work they get everyday due to the lack of resources not of will lack of resources , Boris has been dealt with and investigated by Parliament because they are the only ones that could, it was not and never will be a Police matter and considering the new evidence that has appeared and more may be forthcoming in the future, many, many people must have lied to them. The truth needs to come out or it will never be over. Just goes to show you can never trust your feelings. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 22, 2023 11:44:14 GMT
I have a funny feeling that lying to the police is a criminal offence and considering the new evidence that has appeared and more may be forthcoming in the future, many, many people must have lied to them. The truth needs to come out or it will never be over. Just goes to show you can never trust your feelings. Indeed opinions either formed by yourself or by others that you accept willingly and feelings are not evidence and never will be, people can be deemed guilty of something by Public Opinion but that is not natural justice or real justice, our Law Courts do not deal in gossip but provable facts. Lying to the Police is not a Criminal Offence in most cases unless done deliberately to obstruct justice , lying in Court is |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 13:40:49 GMT
I have a funny feeling that lying to the police is a criminal offence and considering the new evidence that has appeared and more may be forthcoming in the future, many, many people must have lied to them. The truth needs to come out or it will never be over. Just goes to show you can never trust your feelings. Check it out. It is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 13:41:40 GMT
Just goes to show you can never trust your feelings. Indeed opinions either formed by yourself or by others that you accept willingly and feelings are not evidence and never will be, people can be deemed guilty of something by Public Opinion but that is not natural justice or real justice, our Law Courts do not deal in gossip but provable facts. Lying to the Police is not a Criminal Offence in most cases unless done deliberately to obstruct justice , lying in Court is A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 22, 2023 14:18:29 GMT
Indeed opinions either formed by yourself or by others that you accept willingly and feelings are not evidence and never will be, people can be deemed guilty of something by Public Opinion but that is not natural justice or real justice, our Law Courts do not deal in gossip but provable facts. Lying to the Police is not a Criminal Offence in most cases unless done deliberately to obstruct justice , lying in Court is A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: I know as I stated above , obstructing police , and deliberately lying in Court which is Perverting the Course of Justice or Attempting to do so |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 15:16:25 GMT
A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: I know as I stated above , obstructing police , and deliberately lying in Court which is Perverting the Course of Justice or Attempting to do so "Lying to the Police is not a Criminal Offence in most cases unless done deliberately to obstruct justice , lying in Court is". Your words. If the statements given to the police by the 'partygoers' is false the should be investigated and if found to have done so, charged on a criminal offence. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 22, 2023 17:19:37 GMT
I kept my previous post to you as simple as possible , but obviously not simple enough for you to understand
Suggest you stop going around in circles you will end up flying up your own arse, why do you assume guess that that any party goers provided a witness statement or even asked for simple FPN's the person who took those photos was in the Office when Boris was given a birthday cake, for all we know they were probably one of the 123 in that room in No 10 that were issued with FPN's
FPN's are issued every day for a number of Offices, do you really think an Officer shouts did anyone witness this driver speeding, throwing a fag end on the floor, come forward and give me a witness statement, for serious Criminal Offences yes they will and knock on doors
Police Officers get lied to everyday when dealing with a suspect, if the suspect is arrested the fact they lied to the Officer is a small part of what happened the fact they did will be part of the Officers evidence.
If they lie when interviewed again just part of the evidence, if they go to trial defendants often lie to the Court under cross examination that is why many defendants do offer themselves up for cross examination, its par for the course if found guilty they don't wacked with another charge of attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice on top
If a Witness lies to a Court with intent knowingly then they run the risk of being dealt with for Perverting the Course if caught out on the day or later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 17:45:23 GMT
Indeed opinions either formed by yourself or by others that you accept willingly and feelings are not evidence and never will be, people can be deemed guilty of something by Public Opinion but that is not natural justice or real justice, our Law Courts do not deal in gossip but provable facts. Lying to the Police is not a Criminal Offence in most cases unless done deliberately to obstruct justice , lying in Court is A witness statement is a legal document and has to be sighned by those present. t is an offence to give false information to the police. Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 provides: You don't know what you are talking about. That section relates to wasting police time, which is not lying to the police. |
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