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Post by jonksy on Oct 27, 2022 21:48:48 GMT
So how about a deal whereby for ever boat load of immigrants that reach the UK we send two boat loads of Remainers to the EU?
Two Cunards super liners filled with remainers would be better. After all fair exchange is not robbery, |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 21:49:29 GMT
Actually, I quite like immigrants. Anyone who is prepared to cross the Channel in a rubber dinghy or similar will clearly be an asset to the UK.
On the other hand, we have millions of people who have shown their hatred of Britain by voting to have this country run by other countries.
So how about a deal whereby for ever boat load of immigrants that reach the UK we send two boat loads of Remainers to the EU?
You quite like immigrants Borchester, how wonderful. Are you aware that in recent years the Albanian mafia have become very prevalent in this country, and at the moment thousands of Albanian 'refugees' are landing on English beaches. |
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Post by borchester on Oct 27, 2022 21:59:00 GMT
Actually, I quite like immigrants. Anyone who is prepared to cross the Channel in a rubber dinghy or similar will clearly be an asset to the UK.
On the other hand, we have millions of people who have shown their hatred of Britain by voting to have this country run by other countries.
So how about a deal whereby for ever boat load of immigrants that reach the UK we send two boat loads of Remainers to the EU?
You quite like immigrants Borchester, how wonderful. Are you aware that in recent years the Albanian mafia have become very prevalent in this country, and at the moment thousands of Albanian 'refugees' are landing on English beaches. I can't say that I am Red, but I will take your word for it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 22:06:44 GMT
You quite like immigrants Borchester, how wonderful. Are you aware that in recent years the Albanian mafia have become very prevalent in this country, and at the moment thousands of Albanian 'refugees' are landing on English beaches. I can't say that I am Red, but I will take your word for it. This is the problem. Most people are unaware of what's going on, although to be fair with cross channel illegal immigration, people should at least be, suspicious. The NCA (National Crime Agency) have said the Albanian mafia pose a "significant threat" to British national security. Yet the government continue to allow thousands of them to land on English beaches. |
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Post by vlk on Oct 28, 2022 7:24:40 GMT
I'm sure ministers have more spare rooms than ordinary people. Surely they will lead by example, won't they?
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2022 11:24:15 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Oct 28, 2022 11:32:24 GMT
I can't say that I am Red, but I will take your word for it. This is the problem. Most people are unaware of what's going on, although to be fair with cross channel illegal immigration, people should at least be, suspicious. The NCA (National Crime Agency) have said the Albanian mafia pose a "significant threat" to British national security. Yet the government continue to allow thousands of them to land on English beaches. Yep 12,000 of them have arrived here most of not all are part of International Criminal Families |
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Post by Orac on Oct 28, 2022 12:01:29 GMT
I'm sure ministers have more spare rooms than ordinary people. Surely they will lead by example, won't they? An approach like this is the key to sorting the mess out equitably - Taxpayer, monies will only be used as a backup to support asylum seekers / people trafficking efforts - such monies and resources will only be employed when other, below preferred sources are exhausted (in order of preference). 1 The real estate assets of cabinet ministers: these will be seized equitably and without compensation and either used directly to house people traffickers / asylum seekers or sold in auction to provide funds to purchase suitable real estate to do so. A council house will be provided as a replacement home for such ministers. 2 The fungible, non real estate assets of cabinet ministers: as above, these will be seized without compensation and sold on the market to provide resources. 3 The assets of the top layer of civil service connected with the home office: (treated as above) 4 The assets of any charitable organisation advocating for asylum: (treated as above) Only when the above sources of revenue are exhausted entirely, will the taxpayer be asked to contribute |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 15:22:33 GMT
Can we blame Tony Blair for Brexit too?
Back in 2004 the EU welcomed 10 new member states,Enlargement to these countries gave over 74m people the opportunity to live, work and travel freely across the EU.
Tony Blair’s mistakes helped stoke an anti-immigration feeling.
This is nonsense ^ The very most that Tony Blair could have done at the time, would have been to delay the Free Movement of citizens from the new EU10 back in 2004, neither he, the government at the time, or any government could have stopped the citizens of those nations from traveling here to reside and work. The treaty as negotiated and signed by Margaret Thatcher and John Major meant that a transition period of UPTO 7 years could have been implemented, thereby delaying the arrival of new accession citizens, but there was no mechanism for stopping those people from coming here. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 28, 2022 16:09:27 GMT
Can we blame Tony Blair for Brexit too?
Back in 2004 the EU welcomed 10 new member states,Enlargement to these countries gave over 74m people the opportunity to live, work and travel freely across the EU.
Tony Blair’s mistakes helped stoke an anti-immigration feeling.
This is nonsense ^ The very most that Tony Blair could have done at the time, would have been to delay the Free Movement of citizens from the new EU10 back in 2004, neither he, the government at the time, or any government could have stopped the citizens of those nations from traveling here to reside and work. The treaty as negotiated and signed by Margaret Thatcher and John Major meant that a transition period of UPTO 7 years could have been implemented, thereby delaying the arrival of new accession citizens, but there was no mechanism for stopping those people from coming here. But the other EU countries did take advantage of the 7 year delay, which meant that the A8 workers had a restricted number of destinations so flooded into the those countries (like the UK) that allowed them in. Had every member state opened their doors at the same time then the outflow from the A8 countries would have been more evenly spread. It was Blairs decision to throw open the doors, nobody else. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2022 18:06:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 20:48:52 GMT
Not at all. It should be British Sovereign territory - Ascension Island was considered the best placed in the review by the Home Office. Any illegal migrant should be immediately transported to Ascension where they would then be free to claim asylum if they so wished. All those granted Asylum could then be transported back to the UK to start their new lives - those failing to be granted asylum could stay in Ascension or get free travel to anywhere else in the world. Ascension is out of the question, yes I know it's British sovereign territory, but the Yanks are very sensitive about their tracking/listening station on the Island. Lundy Island?  |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 29, 2022 1:03:31 GMT
It is ok, it has been revealed today that we using our foreign aid budget to pay for it all.
Apparently under international law you can pay for an asylum seekers first 12 months in the country out of the foreign aid budget.
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Post by thomas on Oct 29, 2022 12:22:22 GMT
Can we blame Tony Blair for Brexit too?
Back in 2004 the EU welcomed 10 new member states,Enlargement to these countries gave over 74m people the opportunity to live, work and travel freely across the EU.
Tony Blair’s mistakes helped stoke an anti-immigration feeling.
This is nonsense ^ The very most that Tony Blair could have done at the time, would have been to delay the Free Movement of citizens from the new EU10 back in 2004, neither he, the government at the time, or any government could have stopped the citizens of those nations from traveling here to reside and work. The treaty as negotiated and signed by Margaret Thatcher and John Major meant that a transition period of UPTO 7 years could have been implemented, thereby delaying the arrival of new accession citizens, but there was no mechanism for stopping those people from coming here. i see pacifico has already dealt sufficiently with your nonsensical and extremely weak defence of tony blairs mass immigration policy. What was it new labour also predicted at the time? That a few thousand eastern europeans would come?
The stupidity of Tony Blair and new labour knows no bounds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 14:04:05 GMT
So we have gone from "New Labour unleashed open doors immigration" to "Tony Blair did not implement a transition period, but in reality the citizens of the EU10 of 2004 could not have been stopped from coming to Britain to work eventualy".
The Freedom of Movement is not / was not Tony Blairs policy, it was policy negotiated and eventualy signed up to by CONSERVATIVE Prime Ministers.
THe follow on question to both Freedom of Movement and in particular, the 2004 enlargement, is what effect did it have upon the economy of Britain ?, and as someone who has lived all my life in an agricultural region, concerned with farming, fishing, food and food production, I am adamant that it fuelled growth.
In virtually every town of North Yorkshire there are food process / food production plants, indeed some of the largest in both Britain and Europe.
Before 2004, EVERY one of those production places were short of staff, none of the big names which produce food here in North Yorkshire could fill all their vaccancies, all had labour shortages - but those shortages ended after 2004, and that is a matter of fact.
Today, the lack of both skilled and unskilled labour is hitting our economy, blunting growth, hurting our public services, and contributing to an impending recession.
Its all very well posters saying that we need to pay more in wages, but all that HAS DONE is create mega-inflation, a vicious circle with no winners. If there are actually not enough people to fill the jobs gap, then it does not matter how much you offer.
Ending Free Movement, as with withdrawing from the EU, has been a monumental disaster to Britain, to our economy, to growth, to living standards and to inflation.
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