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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 12:30:35 GMT
The question was not whether we know how to solve them, it was the cost of doing so compared to building renewable energy. No that is not the question. We cannot stop climate change by ourselves - in fact we have already reduced our emissions far more than any other developed country. So yes, we could spend billions damaging the economy trying to reach net zero by 2030 (or whenever) but there is absolutely no guarantee that will make the slightest bit of difference to the climate. And having spent those billions we would still need to spend billions more (that we would not have) mitigating the effects of climate change anyway. Well yes it was the question, I asked it, so I should know. We are not stopping climate change by ourselves , how many times do you have to be told of the efforts of others? How many times do I have to point out that the reason China produces more Co2 is in partly because there are more of them and partly because they do our manufacturing for us. Nonetheless China produced 47% of its electricity from non fossil fuels in 2022. 47%So we should do less or nothing and guarantee it gets worse, really? I mean really, that's your solution. I can guarantee that even if we reduce atmospheric Co2 a bit it will make a difference. If everyone reduces it a bit it will make a bigger difference. Atmospheric Co2 is causing global warming, it does breed, so the only way he earth gets warmer is by us pumping more in. So if we pump less in we slow global warming. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 25, 2023 12:35:17 GMT
No that is not the question. We cannot stop climate change by ourselves - in fact we have already reduced our emissions far more than any other developed country. So yes, we could spend billions damaging the economy trying to reach net zero by 2030 (or whenever) but there is absolutely no guarantee that will make the slightest bit of difference to the climate. And having spent those billions we would still need to spend billions more (that we would not have) mitigating the effects of climate change anyway. Well yes it was the question, I asked it, so I should know. We are not stopping climate change by ourselves , how many times do you have to be told of the efforts of others? How many times do I have to point out that the reason China produces more Co2 is in partly because there are more of them and partly because they do our manufacturing for us. Nonetheless China produced 47% of its electricity from non fossil fuels in 2022. 47%So we should do less or nothing and guarantee it gets worse, really? I mean really, that's your solution. I can guarantee that even if we reduce atmospheric Co2 a bit it will make a difference. If everyone reduces it a bit it will make a bigger difference. Atmospheric Co2 is causing global warming, it does breed, so the only way he earth gets warmer is by us pumping more in. So if we pump less in we slow global warming. I doubt very much you can guarantee one thing Zany. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 12:51:56 GMT
No that is not the question. We cannot stop climate change by ourselves - in fact we have already reduced our emissions far more than any other developed country. So yes, we could spend billions damaging the economy trying to reach net zero by 2030 (or whenever) but there is absolutely no guarantee that will make the slightest bit of difference to the climate. And having spent those billions we would still need to spend billions more (that we would not have) mitigating the effects of climate change anyway. Well yes it was the question, I asked it, so I should know. We are not stopping climate change by ourselves , how many times do you have to be told of the efforts of others? How many times do I have to point out that the reason China produces more Co2 is in partly because there are more of them and partly because they do our manufacturing for us. Nonetheless China produced 47% of its electricity from non fossil fuels in 2022. 47%So we should do less or nothing and guarantee it gets worse, really? I mean really, that's your solution. I can guarantee that even if we reduce atmospheric Co2 a bit it will make a difference. If everyone reduces it a bit it will make a bigger difference. Atmospheric Co2 is causing global warming, it does breed, so the only way he earth gets warmer is by us pumping more in. So if we pump less in we slow global warming. What global warning? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 15:21:18 GMT
Well yes it was the question, I asked it, so I should know. We are not stopping climate change by ourselves , how many times do you have to be told of the efforts of others? How many times do I have to point out that the reason China produces more Co2 is in partly because there are more of them and partly because they do our manufacturing for us. Nonetheless China produced 47% of its electricity from non fossil fuels in 2022. 47%So we should do less or nothing and guarantee it gets worse, really? I mean really, that's your solution. I can guarantee that even if we reduce atmospheric Co2 a bit it will make a difference. If everyone reduces it a bit it will make a bigger difference. Atmospheric Co2 is causing global warming, it does breed, so the only way he earth gets warmer is by us pumping more in. So if we pump less in we slow global warming. I doubt very much you can guarantee one thing Zany. Wow another fabulous put down from B4. Yet again answering a post not addressed to him. Ever wonder why you get so few posts addressed to you? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 15:25:34 GMT
I doubt very much you can guarantee one thing Zany. Wow another fabulous put down from B4. Yet again answering a post not addressed to him. Ever wonder why you get so few posts addressed to you? I wonder why you get very many addressed to you Zany....We all know but you are apparently ignorant of the fact. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 15:32:39 GMT
Wow another fabulous put down from B4. Yet again answering a post not addressed to him. Ever wonder why you get so few posts addressed to you? I wonder why you get very many addressed to you Zany....We all know but you are apparently ignorant of the fact. Because I'm interesting. Its why you had to kerb the swearing and personal insults that make up your contribution and pursue me onto the mind zone. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 15:39:56 GMT
I wonder why you get very many addressed to you Zany....We all know but you are apparently ignorant of the fact. Because I'm interesting. Its why you had to kerb the swearing and personal insults that make up your contribution and pursue me onto the mind zone. Grow up zany you are not innocent when it comes to swearing when you get owned....And isn't that a bit of an oxymoron and self shallow appraisall stating you are interesting? Many of us who had to watch paint dry would find that more intesting than having their questions ignored or answered with yet another question. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 15:46:57 GMT
Because I'm interesting. Its why you had to kerb the swearing and personal insults that make up your contribution and pursue me onto the mind zone. Grow up zany you are not innocent when it comes to swearing when you get owned....And isn't that a bit of an oxymoron and self shallow appraisall stating you are interesting? Many of us who had to watch paint dry would find that more intesting than having their questions ignored or answered with yet another question. Feel free to ignore me, I really wont mind. You contribute nothing to the subject but personal insults and swearing I mean, what has this bilge here got to do with when the economy will recover. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 25, 2023 16:51:12 GMT
No that is not the question. We cannot stop climate change by ourselves - in fact we have already reduced our emissions far more than any other developed country. So yes, we could spend billions damaging the economy trying to reach net zero by 2030 (or whenever) but there is absolutely no guarantee that will make the slightest bit of difference to the climate. And having spent those billions we would still need to spend billions more (that we would not have) mitigating the effects of climate change anyway. Well yes it was the question, I asked it, so I should know. We are not stopping climate change by ourselves , how many times do you have to be told of the efforts of others? How many times do I have to point out that the reason China produces more Co2 is in partly because there are more of them and partly because they do our manufacturing for us. Nonetheless China produced 47% of its electricity from non fossil fuels in 2022. 47%So we should do less or nothing and guarantee it gets worse, really? I mean really, that's your solution.
I can guarantee that even if we reduce atmospheric Co2 a bit it will make a difference. If everyone reduces it a bit it will make a bigger difference. Atmospheric Co2 is causing global warming, it does breed, so the only way he earth gets warmer is by us pumping more in. So if we pump less in we slow global warming. No - we take action as and when we can but also look at the impact of the costs of taking action. What we certainly should not be doing is setting artificial targets and bans without adequate investigations into the costs and benefits or the practicality. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 17:11:16 GMT
Well yes it was the question, I asked it, so I should know. We are not stopping climate change by ourselves , how many times do you have to be told of the efforts of others? How many times do I have to point out that the reason China produces more Co2 is in partly because there are more of them and partly because they do our manufacturing for us. Nonetheless China produced 47% of its electricity from non fossil fuels in 2022. 47%So we should do less or nothing and guarantee it gets worse, really? I mean really, that's your solution.
I can guarantee that even if we reduce atmospheric Co2 a bit it will make a difference. If everyone reduces it a bit it will make a bigger difference. Atmospheric Co2 is causing global warming, it doesn't breed, so the only way he earth gets warmer is by us pumping more in. So if we pump less in we slow global warming. No - we take action as and when we can but also look at the impact of the costs of taking action. What we certainly should not be doing is setting artificial targets and bans without adequate investigations into the costs and benefits or the practicality. But if we don't set targets how will we achieve them. (Don't understand why you added artificial). Fundamentally the difference in our views is that I believe AGW is an exponential threat and you don't. So ofcourse I think we cannot kick the can down the road again and you do. The bit I seem unable to get you to recognise is that global warming doesn't stop, there is no stop at Mediterranean climate , or African, or even Saharan, it stops when we stop producing Co2 either because we saw sense or because we all died. There are tipping points that Scientists try to estimate, such as the point when methane locked up under ice escapes and suddenly increases concentrations of warming gases, each time we pass one of these it gets harder to stop the next one, so yes there is urgency. Still I don't think I'm going to persuade you of this. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 25, 2023 17:22:04 GMT
No - we take action as and when we can but also look at the impact of the costs of taking action. What we certainly should not be doing is setting artificial targets and bans without adequate investigations into the costs and benefits or the practicality. But if we don't set targets how will we achieve them. (Don't understand why you added artificial). Fundamentally the difference in our views is that I believe AGW is an exponential threat and you don't. So ofcourse I think we cannot kick the can down the road again and you do. The bit I seem unable to get you to recognise is that global warming doesn't stop, there is no stop at Mediterranean climate , or African, or even Saharan, it stops when we stop producing Co2 either because we saw sense or because we all died. There are tipping points that Scientists try to estimate, such as the point when methane locked up under ice escapes and suddenly increases concentrations of warming gases, each time we pass one of these it gets harder to stop the next one, so yes there is urgency. Still I don't think I'm going to persuade you of this. Well for example we are banning ICE cars from 2030 - the EU is not. So in the whole worldwide scheme of things what is our ban actually going to achieve?. It's all very well being virtuous and saying how great it is that the UK leads the world, but if it is crippling our economy and driving people into real hardship whilst the peoples in other countries carry on as before what is the point? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 17:29:32 GMT
Grow up zany you are not innocent when it comes to swearing when you get owned....And isn't that a bit of an oxymoron and self shallow appraisall stating you are interesting? Many of us who had to watch paint dry would find that more intesting than having their questions ignored or answered with yet another question. , I really wont mind. You contribute nothing to the subject but personal insults and swearing I mean, what has this bilge here got to do with when the economy will recover. I don't need you to tell me who I can respond too or who I can ignore.....Any any post no matter from who is bilge in your eyes if they are not in line with yours. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 19:35:19 GMT
But if we don't set targets how will we achieve them. (Don't understand why you added artificial). Fundamentally the difference in our views is that I believe AGW is an exponential threat and you don't. So ofcourse I think we cannot kick the can down the road again and you do. The bit I seem unable to get you to recognise is that global warming doesn't stop, there is no stop at Mediterranean climate , or African, or even Saharan, it stops when we stop producing Co2 either because we saw sense or because we all died. There are tipping points that Scientists try to estimate, such as the point when methane locked up under ice escapes and suddenly increases concentrations of warming gases, each time we pass one of these it gets harder to stop the next one, so yes there is urgency. Still I don't think I'm going to persuade you of this. Well for example we are banning ICE cars from 2030 - the EU is not. So in the whole worldwide scheme of things what is our ban actually going to achieve?. It's all very well being virtuous and saying how great it is that the UK leads the world, but if it is crippling our economy and driving people into real hardship whilst the peoples in other countries carry on as before what is the point? Yes I think we could extend that to 2035 like the rest of Europe. Don't really think it will make that much difference to the economy. But I'm fine with that. Most people with new cars will be electric by then anyway. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 25, 2023 19:50:50 GMT
Feel free to ignore me, I really wont mind. You contribute nothing to the subject but personal insults and swearing I mean, what has this bilge here got to do with when the economy will recover. I don't need you to tell me who I can respond too or who I can ignore.....Any any post no matter from who is bilge in your eyes if they are not in line with yours. I get the feeling Zany has been on the Sherry he is making guarantees it would be impossible for him to keep and calling me B4. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 20:08:51 GMT
Well for example we are banning ICE cars from 2030 - the EU is not. So in the whole worldwide scheme of things what is our ban actually going to achieve?. It's all very well being virtuous and saying how great it is that the UK leads the world, but if it is crippling our economy and driving people into real hardship whilst the peoples in other countries carry on as before what is the point? Yes I think we could extend that to 2035 like the rest of Europe. Don't really think it will make that much difference to the economy. But I'm fine with that. Most people with new cars will be electric by then anyway. In your dreams... |
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