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Post by piglet on Jun 17, 2023 11:33:55 GMT
The death of jesus is not about how he died, but about why we are all here. Its about spirituality, the bible, and whats in there, no one has touched on that at all. The bible today is not understood, and it tries to make sense of something that makes no sense, life, a human stab at understanding when were not meant to understand but live the life we have. Jesus came to help us understand, as, when he came, human life was almost worthless.
So that we can ascend to higher spheres of existance, or lower, daily you are making a choice of whos side your on. Jesus gave his life, the elderly widow a halfpenny of a penny to the church. Imagine Bill Gates giving away 50 per cent of his wealth. The difference is Gates wont starve.
Your true existence is not physical, the earth is a gladiator training school, for or against, even up there evil exists, as it does in you, and that battle. To win is to live in eternal bliss, not bat for no 1, not share, give, forgive, its god transforming himself, through you.
You wont get that in school.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 17, 2023 11:38:07 GMT
We all knew that Christ was a willing participant and would survive it . The vicar told us . Surviving it doesn't detract from the fact that he died. He was tortured to death. Do you think that is a suitable tale for children? Almost all historical topics are full of unpleasantness and that would mean we do not teach young children about any of the nasty bits of history |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 17, 2023 11:48:17 GMT
Yes, but I wouldn't trust the curriculum to teach history objectively. If they could then they should also be taught about 20th century leftism and the hundreds of millions of people who died under left-wing regimes. And the millions of people who died during early capitalism and under the excesses of the far-right. But that's not the subject of the thread.I'm wondering what the object of the thread is. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 11:50:04 GMT
And the millions of people who died during early capitalism and under the excesses of the far-right. But that's not the subject of the thread.I'm wondering what the object of the thread is. You shall put no god before me. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 11:52:03 GMT
Surviving it doesn't detract from the fact that he died. He was tortured to death. Do you think that is a suitable tale for children? Almost all historical topics are full of unpleasantness and that would mean we do not teach young children about any of the nasty bits of history We don't dwell on scenes of torture as a rule where children are concerned. In fact, if Christ's torture was depicted in a movie, it wouldn't be given a rating that allowed small children to view it today. At least, I think that's the case. Either way, I'm pretty sure the images of torture Christians revel will be soon be consigned to the historical dustbin. They're simply not suitable for children. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 11:54:44 GMT
The gory detail is the dead man nailed to a instrument of torture. A god who didn’t die . Jesus did die. Without dying, he couldn't have been resurrected (not that he was resurrected). |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 11:57:51 GMT
Surviving it doesn't detract from the fact that he died. He was tortured to death. Do you think that is a suitable tale for children? The story of the Crucifixion and the Resurrection is a fundamental part of Christian doctrine. If you don't want children to be told about the former then Easter is reduced to a commercial and ecumenical opportunity just as Christmas has become.
In the telling of them to children, of any age, there is no need to dwell upon the gory detail.
Are there other aspects of Christian doctrine you object to?
Yes, the crucifixion is fundamental to the Christian myth. It would be better to reduce Easter in the way you say than expose children to images of torture and execution. Yes, there are other aspects of the Christian faith I object to. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 12:00:37 GMT
It's a horrible story of torture and execution. Should young children be taught it in school? ....maybe people should be taught to read...I mean actually read...and comprehend what they are reading....rather than just skimming texts to pass an exam.
I read about crowns of thorns, lashes, nails, speared sides, an agonised protracted death. What did you read? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 17, 2023 12:01:09 GMT
We all knew that Christ was a willing participant and would survive it . The vicar told us . Surviving it doesn't detract from the fact that he died. He was tortured to death. Do you think that is a suitable tale for children? Depends . If it is a morality tale about a God willingly going through the motions of death to save humanity and doesn’t dwell on the gory details then yes. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 12:03:34 GMT
Surviving it doesn't detract from the fact that he died. He was tortured to death. Do you think that is a suitable tale for children? Depends . If it is a morality tale about a God willingly going through the motions of death to save humanity and doesn’t dwell on the gory details then yes. I'm fine with that. Leave out the crown of thorns, scourges, nails, spear to the side, and the slow painful death, and it should be just about acceptable. What will be left, though? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 17, 2023 12:05:50 GMT
Jesus did die. Without dying, he couldn't have been resurrected (not that he was resurrected). Depends how you look at it. Christ was part of God . The part didn’t die , it went through the motions of dying . If it died then the resurrected entity would be a facsimile of Christ. |
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Post by Tinculin on Jun 17, 2023 12:06:06 GMT
It’s hardly a point laboured upon in Christian schools. I would say the crucifixion is laboured upon in Christian schools. Many have more than one image of a man being tortured to death on their walls. And yet never once did I or anyone in my school ever stop to deliberate this as you’re trying to portray it. Many children, girls especially wore a crucifix around their necks, because ya know, the message of Christianity isn’t one of torture, it’s one of hope, kindness, forgiveness and salvation. Now, I’m not a practising Christian and probably consider myself agnostic, leaning towards atheism, but I was raised in a catholic school and these wanna be haters of religion really should try and take a lesson of tolerance out of their own book, because I can’t help but think posts like this just make folk look very ignorant. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 17, 2023 12:07:35 GMT
Jesus did die. Without dying, he couldn't have been resurrected (not that he was resurrected). Depends how you look at it. Christ was part of God . The part didn’t die , it went through the motions of dying . If it died then the resurrected entity would be a facsimile of Christ. Christian myth says the same of everyone. Nobody dies in Christianity, they simply move from one plane to another. So, under your approach, any depiction of a torturous death will be acceptable (after all, it doesn't really depict death). |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 17, 2023 12:07:40 GMT
Depends . If it is a morality tale about a God willingly going through the motions of death to save humanity and doesn’t dwell on the gory details then yes. I'm fine with that. Leave out the crown of thorns, scourges, nails, spear to the side, and the slow painful death, and it should be just about acceptable. What will be left, though? No, you can leave that in. Kids didn’t have a problem with it and still don’t. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 17, 2023 12:11:26 GMT
Depends how you look at it. Christ was part of God . The part didn’t die , it went through the motions of dying . If it died then the resurrected entity would be a facsimile of Christ. Christian myth says the same of everyone. Nobody dies in Christianity, they simply move from one plane to another. So, under your approach, any depiction of a torturous death will be acceptable (after all, it doesn't really depict death). No. Christ was a god who willingly sacrificed himself to save mankind . It’s not gratuitous violence forced upon innocents . |
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